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storm over washingtonI've mentioned here a few times the very disturbing nature of the chart for the upcoming US presidential inauguration.  Yesterday I completed the delineation for the chart; "grim" isn't the half of it. I've decided to post the delineation as an open post, available to everyone whether they've subscribed or not, on my SubscribeStar and Patreon platforms: 

JMG SubscribeStar page (scroll down a bit and you'll find it)

JMG Patreon post page

May I be frank?  This is far and away the most malefic mundane chart I have ever studied. Six of the nine planets are clustered in two tight stelliums that are square to each other, and the other three planets are basically out of the picture. 

I have no idea if Donald Trump or anyone in his inner circle pays the least attention to astrology, but if so, I hope he has the great good sense to button up his ego, let his legal challenges slide, prepare to depart the White House with whatever theatrics he considers appropriate, and thank his lucky stars that he can sit out the next four years and get ready for 2024. Whoever is inaugurated this coming January will be walking face first into a buzzsaw. 
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Date: 2020-11-17 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tamanous2020

Thanks for the chart JMG, a foreboding outlook to be sure. Trump and the populists in some ways should be thankful that they, as of current, did not win this election with those factors bearing down as per your report. Though, in line with your previous musings, I couldn't think of a better chart to tear down the myth of progress and neoliberalism, especially with individuals like Biden or Harris as the public face for it all. It does seem like the mass media and the technology firms are really going to take a hit this cycle, one can only hope that sanity returns in proportion to their decline.

Do you have any historical perspective on other nations that have had such a maleficent mundane chart before their times of troubles?

Historical comparisons

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Date: 2020-11-17 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] booklover1973
The predictions in this chart reminds me in a weird way what happened during summer and fall 1989 in East Germany. It may be appropriate that what set the whole thing loose were rigged communal elections in Spring 1989 in East Germany.

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Date: 2020-11-17 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] robertmathiesen
I have had a frightening premonition since well before the Primary Elections that Biden would never become President (and now that he might, that he would die before or right after inauguration), that his vice-president (Harris) would assume the Presidency, and that she would be unable to hold it for long (whether because of her resignation, death, or some other compelling reason).

The current statute governing lawful succession to the Presidency specifies that then it should pass next to the Speaker of the House, who is Nancy Pelosi. But legal questions about the constitutionality of that statute have already been raised on technical grounds, and if it is thrown out by the Supreme Court, there will be no clear and obvious, constitutionally sound way to designate a legitimate successor to the Presidency after Biden and Harris. Nor is there any politician of presidential caliber who would be able to assume the office by popular acclaim.

I can’t think of a better recipe for utter disaster than this.

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Date: 2020-11-17 07:50 pm (UTC)
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Hi JMG,

How do you reconcile this with your earlier prediction that Trump would win in a landslide? (I can think of several ways, just curious about which one you used.)

—Lady Cutekitten

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Date: 2020-11-17 07:51 pm (UTC)
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Biden doesn’t need to pass, Pelosi ramming through her agenda of declaring Biden incompetent would easily trigger this chain of events.

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Date: 2020-11-17 07:52 pm (UTC)
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Do you see any indications that this chart shows the beginning of the Big Breakup?

—Lady Cutekitten

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Date: 2020-11-17 07:55 pm (UTC)
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If Harris does become president, does this chart also apply to her, or only the individual inaugurated on January 20?

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Date: 2020-11-17 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
With what you see regarding the first house (ordinary folks being more or less spared the worst bits) and the twelfth (respect for major institutions going down the pisciatoo) does this perhaps indicate a potential for people to take the initative and find ways to go around the nanny establishments and take more of their day-to-day concerns and needs into their own hands? Is the day of the Ruinmen and Green Wizards perhaps at hand?

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Date: 2020-11-17 08:12 pm (UTC)
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Hooh boy... so... a few questions reading all that:

1: Does the fact that the electoral college will be voting on the same day as the eclipse in the 10th house have any special bearing, or is it only the inauguration itself that matters with the effects of the eclipse affecting the country in the ordinary way regardless of what decisions get made then?

2: You mentioned a while ago that there was still some uncertainty over whether the stellium in the 12th house would be there or in the first house based on the exact time of the event right? Does that mean there’s still a possibility of certain details changing?

3: If Biden did die, resign, etc. would this chart be completely replaced by Harris’s inauguration chart? Or do untimely events like that leave faint echoes that continue to modify the new inauguration chart?

Time of chart

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Date: 2020-11-17 08:19 pm (UTC)
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Does the chart for the new congress have any effect? If it does, may the gods have mercy on us: it looks pretty bad too. Not as bad as the inauguration, I don't think, but still pretty bad...

Already halfway there?

Date: 2020-11-17 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I don't know anything much about astrology yet, although I hope to learn at least the basics, but a lot of this sounds like an acceleration of developments that are already underway. As such, would it really make much difference if Harris took over under a different chart? I imagine changing this trajectory would be like trying to change the course of an iceberg.
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Date: 2020-11-17 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lincoln_lynx
Even my natal chart doesn't look that bad and that's really saying something.

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Date: 2020-11-17 08:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] litotease
As a mid-level municipal fiscal analyst, I definitely did not like seeing "municipal" that many times in that delineation. On the other hand, I was already well aware that there's a giant freight train of economic disaster bearing down on us because of the ongoing COVID shutdowns in my area.

Many local businesses have permanently shuttered (reducing our business tax revenue). People working from home aren't driving (there goes the gas tax revenue), so they also aren't parking (no coins in the parking meters, no income for the parking garages), and so on. It's going to get ugly.

I'm hoping that's all the trouble headed our way, because that's plenty bad all by itself.

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Date: 2020-11-17 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi Litotease,

I worked for a large conglomerate that allowed remote work 2-5 days/week, depending on your manager’s whims. Even that cost the municipality a lot in tax money.

They’ve been shut down, everybody working from home, since March. No one knows when, or if, they will re-open

—Lady Cutekitten

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Date: 2020-11-17 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
the inauguration date is also a palindrome: 12021 representing a possible hinge in political history (as in what goes up must come down)

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Date: 2020-11-18 04:21 am (UTC)
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or if you prefer 1202021

Inauguration Timing

Date: 2020-11-17 09:26 pm (UTC)
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I thought you said " I won't be able to finish the delineation until after the ceremony, since the exact time of the inauguration is of some importance -- depending on when it happens, the really dire Mars-Uranus conjunction will either be in the 1st or the 12th house, and that difference has a significant role to play in what it portends."


So is this then based on what you said here?: " The date and time the inauguration becomes effective is set in the US constitution. This chart therefore begins to apply at noon on January 20, 2021 and will remain effective until noon on January 20, 2025, unless the president leaves office by death, impeachment, or resignation before that time."

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Date: 2020-11-17 10:03 pm (UTC)
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If Trump is the one who is inaugurated could it also mean he is assasinated?

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Date: 2020-11-17 10:09 pm (UTC)
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This is not that surprising. Western governments have completely lost their minds with the lockdowns. Note that China carries on as normal and Russia announced a week or two ago that they will not be locking down again. Even the WHO said a month or two ago that lockdowns were a bad idea. There has to be consequences to this stupidity and the only question is when the bill will come due.

Also, if Trump does lose his court battles and retires from public life (as much as is possible for Trump) it's going to suck so much oxygen out of the system that it's hard to know what will fill the void. What are the media going to fill the time with when they can't just scream Orange Man Bad every day?

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Date: 2020-11-17 10:41 pm (UTC)
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Scenario: If Trump lets things slide, and the unholy duo enter the WH, with full inauguration to certify the reality of it all… BUT: the eventual court proceedings find JB guilty of treason — which is punishable by death — and the sidekick KH at least faces sedition if not treason… pulling them both OUT… what happens then? After all, the wheels of justice have already been moving quite far along the route of certain prosecutions, and a new president won't stop that. Would DJT be able to take his place on the throne by some kind of constitutional default?

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Date: 2020-11-17 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] violetcabra
If I may,

I'm very deeply struck by the coherence in events described by these various charts. The eclipse on the day of the electoral college, and then the Grand Mutation, and then this horrific inauguration chart.

When I studied the mundane astrology of the year leading up to the US Civil War I was struck by just the same sort of eloquence, the same sense of a repeating pattern. With the US Civil War, just to be clear, the planet that kept on expressing himself over and over again was Mars. With these charts, I don't detect the same sort of coherence regarding War, obviously. for an example of some of these charts and interpretation here's a link: https://violetcabra.dreamwidth.org/tag/civil+war+astrology+project and another: https://violetcabra.dreamwidth.org/34046.html

Rather these charts seem to me, including the Grand Mutation Chart, to cluster around issues of illegitimacy of the government, and to consistently suggest a narrow avoidance of hot warfare. Taken together, I imagine that we're looking at the basic shredding of the legitimacy of the current forms of government, with new forms more appropriate to the zeitgeist of the new era of world history.

Now, obviously I'm not personally pleased with that. That said, something that I found very rewarding about the study of historical astrology is the deep sense of a deeper casualty at play. That is, the eloquent narrative coherence that the charts create often with uncanny coincidences. While I don't like fatalism, it seems to me incredible that all of these charts point to the same basic outcomes for the nation. In the 1860's there was going to be war, and the stars in 1859 said that with eerie clarity. In the 2020's there will be a crisis of legitimacy and very likely partition, or at least that's how I read the stars. That said, I've not yet seen anything at all like what led up to the US Civil War, so I suspect that the outcomes will differ accordingly.

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Date: 2020-11-17 10:54 pm (UTC)
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It looks like this isn't a chart for embarking on anything if you can help it. Will it need a few weeks either side until it's shifted into something less unpleasant via the movement of the inner planets?

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Integrating your comments from the other blog...

Date: 2020-11-17 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Dear JMG:

I'm trying to integrate your predictions with this chart with some of your comments on the other blog. Please forgive any accidental misrepresentations.

1. The credentialed class, knowingly or not, was engaged in low-scale magic to convince themselves that the world should and can be as they wish it to be. This was likely influenced and directed by some mages that knew what they were doing.

2. This blew up in 2016, and the cognitive dissonance never resolved the issue. They doubled down.

3. Magical efforts to change the direction of the country or hurt Trump largely failed, although there may have been lots of blow-back floating around as a result.

4. The efforts of mages on both sides of the divide failed with the 2020 election, which has left even more unearthed energy in the atmosphere (will be waiting to hear your more in-depth analysis later).

I think we may already be seeing some strange effects. Although two successful vaccines have been announced, I am seeing more COVID panic in the news, and among friends, than I've seen for a while. This seems especially pronounced among my leftie friends, who I thought would be much more relaxed and happy. Regardless of the reason is media manipulation or magic (they might be basically the same thing), the genie is out of the bottle. Much like Antifa, those that thought it could be turned off like a switch are in for a rude awakening.

Another factor is the evidence, being squashed by the media (and perhaps magic making people not look too closely at it), of potential Biden corruption and what looks to be clear election fraud, regardless of if it would have changed the election result. Even if proven, I don't think the corporate press will let it out until after Biden is declared. But it can't be unseen, or hidden forever. Likewise some of the shennanigans of the government RE: the Russia hoax. Eventually it will get out, and any spell obscuring the truth will fail. Cue massive cognitive dissonance.

I think all this is teeing up a MASSIVE loss of trust and faith in the institutions, which it seems your chart forecasts. Which could be a very good thing, although disruptive. Now is probably the time to reach out to smaller groups to weather the storm in the short time and influence things for the better in the future.

My biggest worry is your prediction of a possible assassination or an attempt against a well-known politician. That's the kind of thing that could really be exploited by a bad actor. Nightmare would be a former president Trump, especially if it was shown or alleged security was backed off intentionally by the Biden/Harris administration. Trump will be an extremely likely target for such an attempt, even if he announced no plans to run again. Lots of unbalanced people will forever see him as the bogeyman.

Back to your other blog's comments - you identified Trump's archetype as the changer. Regardless of what happens, that was correct. Lots of masks are falling off, and I don't think the credentialed have any idea how horrified people (even of their own class) will be when they see what lies beneath. There's no unringing this bell, for good or ill.

Fortunately, there is a lot of potential for good. This is going to be a heavy blow to 'the Cathedral,' i.e. the media/academic/political uniparty. And as M. Malice has said, while we may not win, it's ridiculous to think that we can't win.

Best, Gollios

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Date: 2020-11-17 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yesterday you posted a link to, I think it was the Rescue Game post, in the old ADR. Hitting next a couple times and I landed in the Retrotopia posts, and went back and reread all of those. You'd picked 2021 in those posts as the date of the beginning of the events leading to the breakup of the USA. (The book is not yet in my personal library, so I don't know if any dates were changed. I know! I know!)

I believe you hadn't gotten into mundane astrology yet, so you probably weren't looking at this chart. I suppose that's just to be chalked up as a synchronimity?

BoysMom

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Date: 2020-11-17 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Nod of respect to all here gathered:

I'm hoping that one of those windstorms suggested by the Lunar eclipse of Nov. 30 2020 will provide an excuse to postpone this event for a month.

Does anyone know if such a thing has ever happened in the USA?

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Date: 2020-11-17 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You will all be thrilled to learn that the interventionist hawks are back and briefing Biden on foreign affairs:

https://twitter.com/jameshohmann/status/1328783911338520581/photo/1

Samantha Power among them.

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Date: 2020-11-18 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kashtan
I think the political effects of COVID will continue to be huge at least in 2021, whether or not the virus is doing much itself. I remember back in March you predicted that that pandemic wouldn't be that bad and would settle down by late spring/early summer. I actually think that prediction was correct, deaths peaked in the spring and even then, it was really only in the NYC area that things got bad enough to overload the hospitals. It's just the freakout over it that has dominated this year (along with the riots and election drama). I predict that will continue into next year, with lockdown and mask wars still ongoing, and if they try to mandate the vaccine it could get much worse. If they just made the vaccine available to those who wanted it without trying to mandate it or use it as as political tool, things could ease up as the ones most in fear of the virus are able to get it and ease their fears, and it wouldn't affect those who don't want it. I doubt that scenario will happen considering how things have been so far, I suspect they'll use the exact same tactics about the vaccine that they have with the mask, but considering how having had the vaccine isn't directly visible the way a mask is, the technocrats will push even worse dystopian means to track people's vaccination status.

I don't think this would contradict your chart at all, there could be little to no excess deaths in 2021 and the political effects could still dominate American politics for quite a bit longer. The only way I don't see this happening is if a larger crisis comes along and takes the limelight, as the BLM riots did briefly during the summer before COVID fearmongering came roaring back.

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