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get 'em in the groundWelcome back to Frugal Friday! This is a weekly forum post to encourage people to share tips on saving money, especially but not only by doing stuff yourself. A new post will be going up every Friday, and will remain active until the next one goes up. Contributions will be moderated, of course, and I have some simple rules to offer, which may change further as we proceed.

Rule #1:  this is a place for polite, friendly conversations about how to save money in difficult times. It's not a place to post news, views, rants, or emotional outbursts about the reasons why the times are difficult and saving money is necessary. Nor is it a place to use a money saving tip to smuggle in news, views, etc.  I have a delete button and I'm not afraid to use it.

Rule #2:  this is not a place for you to sell goods or services, period. Here again, I have a delete button and I'm not afraid to use it.

Rule #3:  please give your tip a heading that explains briefly what it's about.  Homemade Chicken Soup, Garden Containers, Cheap Attic Insulation, and Vinegar Cleans Windows are good examples of headings. That way people can find the things that are relevant for them. If you don't put a heading on your tip it will be deleted.

Rule #4: don't post anything that would amount to advocating criminal activity. Any such suggestions will not be put through.

With that said, have at it! 

Affordable home ownership

Date: 2025-04-11 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
For people who want to own a home: in my area (Albuquerque NM) there are some mobile home parks that are actually reasonably pleasant places (not the stereotypical "trailer park"). Manufactured homes can be purchased new for $70,000 (larger ones go up to $100,000). A lot of the people who live in them are middle-class people (teachers, retirees, young couples). It's also possible to purchase an acre of land and put a mobile home on it. While that's not anyone's dream home, it's at least a starting place for home ownership: you could pay it off in ten years, then start saving for a "real" house.

Re: Affordable home ownership

Date: 2025-04-11 07:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] teresa_from_hershey
Be sure you own the land your manufactured home is sitting on.
Don't rent in a mobile home park.
We've seen several, including the one behind our house, where the owner died and the heirs decided to sell the land.
The renters, many of whom had lived in their unmovable mobile homes (they aren't actually mobile) for decades, were forced out.

In the end, it doesn't matter if you've lived in your mobile home for fifty years. If you don't own the land and someone else does and decides to sell the park, you're out of luck.

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And, make sure the area you want to buy land allows people to live in a mobile home or trailer on the land. In about half of this state, it is illegal to do so

Atmospheric River

Old Cookbooks

Date: 2025-04-11 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I recently found a copy of Good Meals and How to Prepare Them, a cookbook published in 1927, and it is completely transforming how I cook and eat. It is full of tons of recipes which transform fresh and raw ingredients into meals with very little effort. It has recipes for things such as using leftover vegetable scraps or bones to make soup stock, plenty of bread recipes, how to cook cheaper cuts of meats, has advice on which appliances are worth while, which are not, and how to tell if you are getting your money's worth; which, despite being a hundred years out of date, is still useful in many ways because cooking has not changed as much as some might think; the prices quoted are not applicable, but the principles are.

I think there is a sweetspot in time, between when mass literacy became common and the processed food industry took off, where these kinds of cookbooks can be found. The masses could read, and some of them eagerly bought cookbooks; absent processed foods, they had to be full of recipes which could be made from scratch, and because they were aimed at housewives and househusbands, they needed to be full of cheap and quick recipes, with a few recipes for special occasions.

Re: Old Cookbooks

Date: 2025-04-11 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for the tip. These kind of cookbooks interest me. I will give it a look.

Caldathras

Re: Old Cookbooks

Date: 2025-04-12 03:18 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you! This sounds like a nice, simple cookbook. I love that it is almost 100 years old. Thrift Books online has a few copies.

Now they have one less. 😁

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Date: 2025-04-12 02:55 pm (UTC)
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When I left home at 18, my mother gave me a copy of the "American Woman's Cookbook" edited by Ruth Borolzheimer, 1944 edition. Whenever I'm working with raw ingredients from the garden and foraging or unpopular cuts of meat that I get from the processor, this book gives recipes that modern cookbooks assume no one uses anymore. It's another good resource if you can find a copy.

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Date: 2025-04-16 09:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] charlieobert
From that same era it is pretty easy to find inexpensive reprints of the original 1931 edition of The Joy of Cooking.

Re: Hostels

Date: 2025-04-11 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I was reacquainted with hostels (albergues) during my pilgrimage on the Camino de Santiago and came to truly appreciate their affordability, cleanliness, and simplicity these are great options and wonderful community experience. During a recent trip to New York City, I considered the hostel but opted for a brand new micro hotel—something like a train cabin, but with the comfort and privacy of my own room. It was a clean, efficient, and budget-conscious option a bit more than the highly rated NY hostel but closer to my desired location. Along with hostels this was a great alternative to the typical NYC hotel at about half the price and no silly extra NY hotel property fee!

Re: Hostels

Date: 2025-04-12 01:50 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I havent traveled recently, but years ago I have had good experiences in Hostels, I stayed in the Blue Tortoise hostel in Seattle with one of my teens a bit less than 20 years ago. I stayed in a hostel somewhere when I had all three kids with me on the east coast, somewhere that I could get to Waldens pond and Boston. About 7 years ago, when camping/touring with my youngest, it was getting late and we were too far from a National Forest, and she used a smart phone and we stayed one night in a hostel in Park City Utah, it was off season (sept) so we could get a spot last minute, inexpensive, and much more fun than a hotel, we cooked a simple meal, had a brew, played pool on the pool table, talked to a few folks. Then we were back to camping as we headed North the next day.

Atmospheric River

Re: Hostels

Date: 2025-04-13 03:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have stayed in HI hostels in San Francisco, Santa Monica, San Diego, New York and London. Mostly good experiences. One stay in Santa Monica they were remodeling and the AC wasn't adequate. I'm really cheap so I go for the shared rooms. Have had some interesting chats with people from other areas. Stayed with my 11-yr old grandson in a non-HI hostel in Chicago. Rather save money on room and have for souvenirs, museums, and meals.

Rita

Re: Hostels

Date: 2025-04-13 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] weilong
Lately here in Japan there are a lot of what are styled as "guest houses." Basically hostels. Usually dormitory rooms (i.e. a few bunk beds in one room), and sometimes with some private rooms, with shared bath and toilet, for a little more. They are usually clean and safe, and quite cheap. There might be a kitchen where you can bring in groceries and make meals. When I am traveling alone, I prefer these places because I can meet other travelers in the common room. Since it's Japan, I like to mosey on over to the neighborhood bath house to wash up.

Hotel Potluck Dishes

Date: 2025-04-11 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Given the Ecosophia Potluck is only a few months away and people may be coming from all over the place, I wanted to ask if anyone has ideas for hotel cooking? I figure using the limited resources of a hotel room - electric coffee maker, maybe a microwave, maybe a mini fridge, and probably plastic utensils unless your travel plans allow bringing a chef's knife - would encourage frugality because there's less room to use electricity and complicated appliances, plus hotel cooking means its easier to forgo expensive ready-made meals when traveling, so its a useful skill people may not think about.

The first thing that came to mind is obviously sandwiches since deli meat, cheese, PB&J, and bread are prepackaged and everywhere without needing to be heated up to enjoy.

But I also see opportunity to, for instance, microwave-bake a few potatoes, scrape them into a large tupperware or single-use aluminum tray from the grocery store, and add mayo, salt, pepper, and maybe a few spices and packaged hardboiled eggs for hotel potato salad. So there's definitely room for a large variety of recipes even with the limited preparation options.

Re: Hotel Potluck Dishes

Date: 2025-04-11 09:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] slclaire
Cans of soup, stew, beans, potato salad, and/or chili could be handy if you bring along a microwave-safe pot like a ceramic pot to heat up the contents of the can. My husband Mike and I bring this sort of thing with us and shop at area grocery stores to replenish our supply and to add vegetables to them.

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Buy in Bulk

Date: 2025-04-11 03:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] degringolade
I brew because I have always been a cheapskate. Since the prices aren't going to be going down anytime soon, I have been costing out the prices/costs of the processes along with the processes for tempeh, yogurt, and other such seeming luxuries.

The cost savings are considerable. Making your own yogurt is 25% of the cost of purchase, making tempeh is around 10%. Beer is around 30%.

But those cost savings are also built around the cost of ingredients. You have to buy in bulk. I am getting ready to bottle a case of basic beer (still better than all but the best microbrews). The cost when I purchase ingredients appropriate for a single batch is $26. When I cringe and buy ingredients for ten batches, that cost goes down to $13.

Tempeh is similar. The only real cost is the beans and the starter. If you make a batch with starter that comes in the little packets that folks sell for an ungodly amount and a single 1 pound bag of beans, the cost comes out around $8.00 for a kilo. If you work at extending the starter and buying beans in bulk (25lb) the cost drops to around $1.00 a kilo.

I suppose this kind of thinking is what drives one to become a prepper (a habit that I desperately try to keep in check for myself) but it does save money on the long run.

The Tempeh is the biggest cost saver. Especially when you look at the price that the health food store charge for this ($4.00 per 8 ounces)

The up front cost is painful, don't get me wrong. My beer supplies for my ten batches set me back $130 for ten cases of beer. 25 pounds of garbanzos and a pound of starter from Wally World runs $50 for 25 kilos of tempeh.

I suppose that this kind of cost is what our host referred to in a long-ago post about the "household economy".

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Date: 2025-04-11 08:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] prayergardens
If we were near you we'd bring some fresh bread and have a feast!

We have been working up our bread making like this. For health, our goal is freshly milled flour in our baked goods, mostly sourdough. It's taken quite a while to get our supplies in check and get a reliable source of affordable wheat berries in bulk. I haven't done the math but if we amortize the equipment over the number of loaves made over time it will get cheap, but yes, upfront cost as well as the learning curve is significant.

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Date: 2025-04-11 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I am noticing something interesting in twitter.

After looking around for domestic manufacturers, several people discovered that the Amish are the only ones still making furniture and other goods without a need for chinese imports. Maybe JMG's Retrotopia will come in 2030, and not 2070.

https://x.com/search?q=Amish&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

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Date: 2025-04-11 07:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] prayergardens
This link doesn't work for me but I would also say in Northern areas with a lot of forest you can find furniture manufacturers. I can think of 3 non-Amish furniture makers within 50 miles of me off the top of my head.

Our of curiosity I looked at the prices of our local furniture and Amish furniture in the Midwest and shockingly, our local furniture was cheaper. I've always thought of it as too expensive but it was at least 25% cheaper than Amish on a spot check.



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Date: 2025-04-11 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
cheap trick to preserve your egg for ever

https://x.com/WETHEKINGDQMQ98/status/1910456570871247315

Does anyone know whether it is real?

Preserve forever

Date: 2025-04-11 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I haven't followed the link, but 'egg' and 'preserve forever' in the same sentence doesn't ring true to me.
Things, edible, that preserve forever that I know are
-salt
-sugar
-honey
-olive oil
-some alcocholic drinks

Olive oil bottles may give a experation date (2 years after production) but in true, if well stored(dark, fresh place) It will last years and years. It loses a bit of flavor and taste with time, but it's good to eat and to cook with for 10 years or more. That only applies to real olive oil, I wouldn't trust industrial mixed vegetables processed oils.

Kind regards,
Tired21

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Drafty Window Fix

Date: 2025-04-11 06:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] threerays
I have an old New England home built in the 1800s with very drafty Windows. I've tried the Window sealing plastic wrap, but I find the adhesive doesn't last long, and can damage the old wooden window frames.

I got a roll of the aluminum foil tape - the kind that is used to wrap the ventilation ducts for dryers, etc. Go to the window on a cold and drafty evening and feel with your hands where the draft is coming from. For me, there were even some visible gaps. I placed just enough tape to cover the gaps. It made a huge difference - my bedroom was much warmer just by sealing some of those small gaps. The tape itself was about $5 from the local hardware store.
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From: [personal profile] teresa_from_hershey
I just returned from the sewing machine shop with the body of my beloved 1980 Kenmore.
It was an excellent, workhorse sewing machine that I could do most of the maintenance on myself and I did. I cleaned and oiled regularly because the machine was made for the owner to do it.

However! As it turned out, I should have brought my Kenmore into Sears about every 10 years or so for a more thorough going over. I did not know this.

When, a few years ago, my Kenmore froze up, I brought it to a local place I'd been using. After much time and money, they said they couldn't do it.
I brought it home and set it aside.

Unlike my Kenmore, modern sewing machines like my Babylock can't be cleaned and oiled by the owner. They MUST visit the shop every year or so for routine cleaning and oiling.

Then, my regular local place closed and I had to find a new sewing machine repair shop in a hurry when my Babylock failed suddenly.

According to my new repair guy, my old repair people never did ANYTHING but blow out the dust! I trusted them! Since my Babylock is purring away, I thought I'd see if my new repair guy could resuscitate my Kenmore.

He could not. Partly because parts are totally unavailable for a nearly 50-year-old sewing machine and partly because the old repair people BROKE some internal mechanisms!

Anyway, this is a reminder to learn what routine maintenance is needed on all your mechanicals and then do it. If I'd brought my Kenmore into the shop every 10 years, in addition to my own at-home care, I'd probably be using it today.

Thus, do you vacuum the coils under your fridge?
Vacuum out everywhere you can reach, including the outflow hose on your dryer?
Run vinegar through your washing machine?
Heck, do you clean out the crumbs in your toaster?
Keep your oven clean?

Maintenance matters if you want to get every bit of life from an appliance.

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Teresa -

If you ever find yourself down here near College Park, MD, let me know. I have a hobby (not a business) of repairing old sewing machines. I specialize in "not economical to repair" conditions, and have in some cases fabricated replacement parts in my little machine shop. Hershey's just a little to far for me to drive, though.

Lathechuck

Remedy against eating too much

Date: 2025-04-11 10:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space

One of the many nice things about frugality is that it can bring people together, like gathering and cooking.

Sometimes that becomes indulgence with food.

There is a simple remedy against it that doesn't involve pharmaceuticals and given that corn tortillas can be found in a lot of places in the US I thought of sharing this.

If you ever find yourself eating too much and having that downwards trend of energy and feeling yourself full you can, ironically, eat pieces of a tortilla to help ease it.

Or rather, a couple tiny bits of a tortilla. What you have to do is grab one, put it in the open flame of your stove and turn it every 5-10 seconds until it hardens and some areas burn a little. I know this is counter intuitive but the burnt areas are key as its the charred parts that do the trick. Some people say its the "activated charcoal", though I am not sure.

Once its hardened and a little burnt, crush it into small pieces and have 2-3 pieces of it. It will get rid of the uncomfortable sensation readily enough. Just don't use it as an excuse to eat more! :-)

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Date: 2025-04-12 03:34 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
A pedantic quibble...it's not activated charcoal, just a bit of char.

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Black areas on kitchen towels

Date: 2025-04-12 11:44 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
We live near the coast in a winter rainfall area. Mediterranean climate.

Our dish towels tend to get black areas (spotty) that I can't get rid of. I've tried oxygen bleach, vinegar, lemon juice and salt. Does anyone have other ideas?

Obviously we should try to keep the cloths dry but it's not always easy.

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Date: 2025-04-13 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Humidity is a persistent problem.
In my experience when the weather is hot and dry, everything works. When the weather is 'bochorno' hot and humid everything becomes more difficult. But to answer your question my way of handling a similar problem is:
-the cheapest bleach is the best
-reducing the amount of kitchenware in everyday cooking
-Keep kitchen windows open as much as you can
-using lots of towel paper

Kind regards,
Tired21

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Ridding cigarette odor

Date: 2025-04-13 03:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ritaer
A few years ago I purchased a used book online. To my dismay it reeked of cigarette smoke. Somewhere I got the idea of trying activated charcoal. Bought some fish tank filters that were charcoal in filter paper packets. Put the book in a sealed container with the filter. In a few weeks the book was cleared of odor.

Also, if you are using charcoal filter for fish tanks, etc. they can be reactivated by heating them at 200 degrees for 10 minutes. I used my toaster oven. This would depend on the surrounding material of course. You can do this about 2 times before buying a replacement.

Rita

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Date: 2025-04-13 04:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space
That's pretty neat!

Green Soup

Date: 2025-04-13 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi Frugalistas,

I am just making a large pot of Green Soup. I will make enough for several meals at once. When the soup is cooked, I will pour some in glass quart jars, put lids on and the hot soup will seal the jars, keeping the soup fresher for a few days.

I started with a big old leek from our garden that I chopped up and washed. I put it in a large soup pot with some lard that I had rendered from a local pig. I think the fat: chicken, mutton, beef, and pork fat that I render is excellent, inexpensive cooking fat. Not hard to do at all. Animal fats are much better nutrition than seed oils or margarines.

Then, I added chopped kale, dandelions, and nettles. You can add chickweed or any edible green that is out now. Once the greens had wilted down, I added a couple of quarts of home-made bone broth and will chop up some leftover rabbit meat and add that too. I had some black beans cooked up and added beans and bean broth to the soup.

The greens act as a spring tonic and the soup is well received. A bowl of Green Soup and an egg-salad sandwich make an excellent lunch. I will also cook up some rhubarb from the garden with just a little honey. It makes an excellent dessert and is also a spring tonic.
Maxine

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Sounds delicious!!!

Smelly Thrift Clothes

Date: 2025-04-14 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I buy almost all my clothes secondhand, but am also very sensitive to artificial fragrances. Every now and then, I get something that has been washed in a very powerfully persistent smelly detergent (I don't know what detergent it is, but IMO it should be banned as a chemical warfare agent!). I used to have to throw these items away: if I wash them with other clothes, not only does the smell persist, but it infects the other things in the wash! Had tried all the usual things: baking soda, repeated washings, had not found anything that worked well.

Recently ran across a recommendation to use Calgon water softener, and leave it to soak overnight. So, having just acquired some almost-new jeans I hated to throw out (it's hard to find my size!), I gave it a try, and... it worked pretty well! Did not reduce the smell to zero, but I had to hold it up to my face to detect it, it was wearable, and after another 2 washes I could no longer smell it.

Calgon FTW!

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Hi ,
Borax in a hot wash makes a great deodorizer.
Maxine

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Has anyone tried this method of keeping fruit fresh? Or know more about it? I was rather astonished by it, but it makes sense.

Kangina
https://vitotuxedo.substack.com/p/kangina
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I have not, that looks interesting.

I have a slightly unusual method. YMMV when it comes to the more woo-woo things like this, but I am personally a fan of orgonite. (I usually get the basic little ones from orgonite-andy. They're not pretty like the shiny pyramids some people sell, but they don't need to be.)

Awhile ago I did a deep dive on it and started experimenting; I liked the results personally. I also read that orgonite can help food keep fresh longer, and should be in or near the fridge, so I put one on top and one or two inside the fridge. And I found my produce and fruit lasted a lot longer. It can still go rotten, but I often have things last many times longer than they did before. It generally takes months of neglect for things to get mold or rot.

Orgonite is a "technology" that supposedly absorbs or transforms things like decay or destructive energy and EMF type stuff. I don't think it's been proven in any scientific way, but many people get results using it. Personally I always have some around my property, because there's a lot of EMF in the area and I like to give myself, my plants, and the bees and critters the best chance of staying alive. I have a piece on my laptop currently, because I use it a lot and it's close to me.

It does seem to give my trees a better shot, and I generally have plenty of bees around since putting it around. There was a significant die-back of bees when another electronic thingy was installed right by my house, but I put out a bit more and eventually they bounced back, though not quite as well or as quickly as I'd have liked, and I got more of the "powerful" bees like wasps and bumblebees and fewer of the small, gentle native bees.

I don't know if any of this is actually about frugality, but it's a part of my life now, as I try to manage living in a rather toxic environment and create a small haven for creatures. (You know those awful smart meters? I have one, and I don't like it. But I put a piece of orgonite on it and now there are spiders living right there on top of it, not minding it at all. Anecdotal, for sure. But nice, too.) Anyway it's kind of nice to not have to buy fresh produce every week because of how quickly it's rotted. Things just last for me really well. I put a piece on top of my parents fridge as well and noticed they also seem to have their fresh things last a lot longer since then.

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