Frugal Friday
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Affordable home ownership
Date: 2025-04-11 02:02 pm (UTC)Re: Affordable home ownership
Date: 2025-04-11 07:36 pm (UTC)Don't rent in a mobile home park.
We've seen several, including the one behind our house, where the owner died and the heirs decided to sell the land.
The renters, many of whom had lived in their unmovable mobile homes (they aren't actually mobile) for decades, were forced out.
In the end, it doesn't matter if you've lived in your mobile home for fifty years. If you don't own the land and someone else does and decides to sell the park, you're out of luck.
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Old Cookbooks
Date: 2025-04-11 02:40 pm (UTC)I think there is a sweetspot in time, between when mass literacy became common and the processed food industry took off, where these kinds of cookbooks can be found. The masses could read, and some of them eagerly bought cookbooks; absent processed foods, they had to be full of recipes which could be made from scratch, and because they were aimed at housewives and househusbands, they needed to be full of cheap and quick recipes, with a few recipes for special occasions.
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Date: 2025-04-11 04:43 pm (UTC)Caldathras
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Date: 2025-04-12 03:18 am (UTC)Now they have one less. š
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Date: 2025-04-16 09:03 pm (UTC)Hostels
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Date: 2025-04-13 03:06 am (UTC)Rita
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Date: 2025-04-13 08:02 am (UTC)Hotel Potluck Dishes
Date: 2025-04-11 03:21 pm (UTC)The first thing that came to mind is obviously sandwiches since deli meat, cheese, PB&J, and bread are prepackaged and everywhere without needing to be heated up to enjoy.
But I also see opportunity to, for instance, microwave-bake a few potatoes, scrape them into a large tupperware or single-use aluminum tray from the grocery store, and add mayo, salt, pepper, and maybe a few spices and packaged hardboiled eggs for hotel potato salad. So there's definitely room for a large variety of recipes even with the limited preparation options.
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From:Buy in Bulk
Date: 2025-04-11 03:27 pm (UTC)The cost savings are considerable. Making your own yogurt is 25% of the cost of purchase, making tempeh is around 10%. Beer is around 30%.
But those cost savings are also built around the cost of ingredients. You have to buy in bulk. I am getting ready to bottle a case of basic beer (still better than all but the best microbrews). The cost when I purchase ingredients appropriate for a single batch is $26. When I cringe and buy ingredients for ten batches, that cost goes down to $13.
Tempeh is similar. The only real cost is the beans and the starter. If you make a batch with starter that comes in the little packets that folks sell for an ungodly amount and a single 1 pound bag of beans, the cost comes out around $8.00 for a kilo. If you work at extending the starter and buying beans in bulk (25lb) the cost drops to around $1.00 a kilo.
I suppose this kind of thinking is what drives one to become a prepper (a habit that I desperately try to keep in check for myself) but it does save money on the long run.
The Tempeh is the biggest cost saver. Especially when you look at the price that the health food store charge for this ($4.00 per 8 ounces)
The up front cost is painful, don't get me wrong. My beer supplies for my ten batches set me back $130 for ten cases of beer. 25 pounds of garbanzos and a pound of starter from Wally World runs $50 for 25 kilos of tempeh.
I suppose that this kind of cost is what our host referred to in a long-ago post about the "household economy".
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Date: 2025-04-11 08:01 pm (UTC)We have been working up our bread making like this. For health, our goal is freshly milled flour in our baked goods, mostly sourdough. It's taken quite a while to get our supplies in check and get a reliable source of affordable wheat berries in bulk. I haven't done the math but if we amortize the equipment over the number of loaves made over time it will get cheap, but yes, upfront cost as well as the learning curve is significant.
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Date: 2025-04-11 05:57 pm (UTC)After looking around for domestic manufacturers, several people discovered that the Amish are the only ones still making furniture and other goods without a need for chinese imports. Maybe JMG's Retrotopia will come in 2030, and not 2070.
https://x.com/search?q=Amish&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
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Date: 2025-04-11 07:54 pm (UTC)Our of curiosity I looked at the prices of our local furniture and Amish furniture in the Midwest and shockingly, our local furniture was cheaper. I've always thought of it as too expensive but it was at least 25% cheaper than Amish on a spot check.
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Date: 2025-04-11 05:59 pm (UTC)https://x.com/WETHEKINGDQMQ98/status/1910456570871247315
Does anyone know whether it is real?
Preserve forever
Date: 2025-04-11 10:49 pm (UTC)Things, edible, that preserve forever that I know are
-salt
-sugar
-honey
-olive oil
-some alcocholic drinks
Olive oil bottles may give a experation date (2 years after production) but in true, if well stored(dark, fresh place) It will last years and years. It loses a bit of flavor and taste with time, but it's good to eat and to cook with for 10 years or more. That only applies to real olive oil, I wouldn't trust industrial mixed vegetables processed oils.
Kind regards,
Tired21
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From:Drafty Window Fix
Date: 2025-04-11 06:02 pm (UTC)I got a roll of the aluminum foil tape - the kind that is used to wrap the ventilation ducts for dryers, etc. Go to the window on a cold and drafty evening and feel with your hands where the draft is coming from. For me, there were even some visible gaps. I placed just enough tape to cover the gaps. It made a huge difference - my bedroom was much warmer just by sealing some of those small gaps. The tape itself was about $5 from the local hardware store.
The importance of Routine Maintenance and Trustworthy repair shops
Date: 2025-04-11 07:32 pm (UTC)It was an excellent, workhorse sewing machine that I could do most of the maintenance on myself and I did. I cleaned and oiled regularly because the machine was made for the owner to do it.
However! As it turned out, I should have brought my Kenmore into Sears about every 10 years or so for a more thorough going over. I did not know this.
When, a few years ago, my Kenmore froze up, I brought it to a local place I'd been using. After much time and money, they said they couldn't do it.
I brought it home and set it aside.
Unlike my Kenmore, modern sewing machines like my Babylock can't be cleaned and oiled by the owner. They MUST visit the shop every year or so for routine cleaning and oiling.
Then, my regular local place closed and I had to find a new sewing machine repair shop in a hurry when my Babylock failed suddenly.
According to my new repair guy, my old repair people never did ANYTHING but blow out the dust! I trusted them! Since my Babylock is purring away, I thought I'd see if my new repair guy could resuscitate my Kenmore.
He could not. Partly because parts are totally unavailable for a nearly 50-year-old sewing machine and partly because the old repair people BROKE some internal mechanisms!
Anyway, this is a reminder to learn what routine maintenance is needed on all your mechanicals and then do it. If I'd brought my Kenmore into the shop every 10 years, in addition to my own at-home care, I'd probably be using it today.
Thus, do you vacuum the coils under your fridge?
Vacuum out everywhere you can reach, including the outflow hose on your dryer?
Run vinegar through your washing machine?
Heck, do you clean out the crumbs in your toaster?
Keep your oven clean?
Maintenance matters if you want to get every bit of life from an appliance.
Re: The importance of Routine Maintenance and Trustworthy repair shops
Date: 2025-04-12 01:41 am (UTC)If you ever find yourself down here near College Park, MD, let me know. I have a hobby (not a business) of repairing old sewing machines. I specialize in "not economical to repair" conditions, and have in some cases fabricated replacement parts in my little machine shop. Hershey's just a little to far for me to drive, though.
Lathechuck
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From:Remedy against eating too much
Date: 2025-04-11 10:32 pm (UTC)One of the many nice things about frugality is that it can bring people together, like gathering and cooking.
Sometimes that becomes indulgence with food.
There is a simple remedy against it that doesn't involve pharmaceuticals and given that corn tortillas can be found in a lot of places in the US I thought of sharing this.
If you ever find yourself eating too much and having that downwards trend of energy and feeling yourself full you can, ironically, eat pieces of a tortilla to help ease it.
Or rather, a couple tiny bits of a tortilla. What you have to do is grab one, put it in the open flame of your stove and turn it every 5-10 seconds until it hardens and some areas burn a little. I know this is counter intuitive but the burnt areas are key as its the charred parts that do the trick. Some people say its the "activated charcoal", though I am not sure.
Once its hardened and a little burnt, crush it into small pieces and have 2-3 pieces of it. It will get rid of the uncomfortable sensation readily enough. Just don't use it as an excuse to eat more! :-)
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From:Black areas on kitchen towels
Date: 2025-04-12 11:44 am (UTC)Our dish towels tend to get black areas (spotty) that I can't get rid of. I've tried oxygen bleach, vinegar, lemon juice and salt. Does anyone have other ideas?
Obviously we should try to keep the cloths dry but it's not always easy.
Re: Black areas on kitchen towels
Date: 2025-04-13 02:53 pm (UTC)In my experience when the weather is hot and dry, everything works. When the weather is 'bochorno' hot and humid everything becomes more difficult. But to answer your question my way of handling a similar problem is:
-the cheapest bleach is the best
-reducing the amount of kitchenware in everyday cooking
-Keep kitchen windows open as much as you can
-using lots of towel paper
Kind regards,
Tired21
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From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2025-04-15 08:12 pm (UTC) - ExpandRidding cigarette odor
Date: 2025-04-13 03:16 am (UTC)Also, if you are using charcoal filter for fish tanks, etc. they can be reactivated by heating them at 200 degrees for 10 minutes. I used my toaster oven. This would depend on the surrounding material of course. You can do this about 2 times before buying a replacement.
Rita
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Date: 2025-04-13 04:18 pm (UTC)Green Soup
Date: 2025-04-13 07:44 pm (UTC)I am just making a large pot of Green Soup. I will make enough for several meals at once. When the soup is cooked, I will pour some in glass quart jars, put lids on and the hot soup will seal the jars, keeping the soup fresher for a few days.
I started with a big old leek from our garden that I chopped up and washed. I put it in a large soup pot with some lard that I had rendered from a local pig. I think the fat: chicken, mutton, beef, and pork fat that I render is excellent, inexpensive cooking fat. Not hard to do at all. Animal fats are much better nutrition than seed oils or margarines.
Then, I added chopped kale, dandelions, and nettles. You can add chickweed or any edible green that is out now. Once the greens had wilted down, I added a couple of quarts of home-made bone broth and will chop up some leftover rabbit meat and add that too. I had some black beans cooked up and added beans and bean broth to the soup.
The greens act as a spring tonic and the soup is well received. A bowl of Green Soup and an egg-salad sandwich make an excellent lunch. I will also cook up some rhubarb from the garden with just a little honey. It makes an excellent dessert and is also a spring tonic.
Maxine
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Date: 2025-04-17 08:21 pm (UTC)Smelly Thrift Clothes
Date: 2025-04-14 08:38 pm (UTC)Recently ran across a recommendation to use Calgon water softener, and leave it to soak overnight. So, having just acquired some almost-new jeans I hated to throw out (it's hard to find my size!), I gave it a try, and... it worked pretty well! Did not reduce the smell to zero, but I had to hold it up to my face to detect it, it was wearable, and after another 2 washes I could no longer smell it.
Calgon FTW!
Re: Smelly Thrift Clothes
Date: 2025-04-15 04:02 am (UTC)Borax in a hot wash makes a great deodorizer.
Maxine
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Date: 2025-04-17 08:23 pm (UTC)Kangina
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Re: Unusual method for preserving fresh fruit - Kangina
Date: 2025-04-17 11:37 pm (UTC)I have a slightly unusual method. YMMV when it comes to the more woo-woo things like this, but I am personally a fan of orgonite. (I usually get the basic little ones from orgonite-andy. They're not pretty like the shiny pyramids some people sell, but they don't need to be.)
Awhile ago I did a deep dive on it and started experimenting; I liked the results personally. I also read that orgonite can help food keep fresh longer, and should be in or near the fridge, so I put one on top and one or two inside the fridge. And I found my produce and fruit lasted a lot longer. It can still go rotten, but I often have things last many times longer than they did before. It generally takes months of neglect for things to get mold or rot.
Orgonite is a "technology" that supposedly absorbs or transforms things like decay or destructive energy and EMF type stuff. I don't think it's been proven in any scientific way, but many people get results using it. Personally I always have some around my property, because there's a lot of EMF in the area and I like to give myself, my plants, and the bees and critters the best chance of staying alive. I have a piece on my laptop currently, because I use it a lot and it's close to me.
It does seem to give my trees a better shot, and I generally have plenty of bees around since putting it around. There was a significant die-back of bees when another electronic thingy was installed right by my house, but I put out a bit more and eventually they bounced back, though not quite as well or as quickly as I'd have liked, and I got more of the "powerful" bees like wasps and bumblebees and fewer of the small, gentle native bees.
I don't know if any of this is actually about frugality, but it's a part of my life now, as I try to manage living in a rather toxic environment and create a small haven for creatures. (You know those awful smart meters? I have one, and I don't like it. But I put a piece of orgonite on it and now there are spiders living right there on top of it, not minding it at all. Anecdotal, for sure. But nice, too.) Anyway it's kind of nice to not have to buy fresh produce every week because of how quickly it's rotted. Things just last for me really well. I put a piece on top of my parents fridge as well and noticed they also seem to have their fresh things last a lot longer since then.
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