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It's getting toward midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. With certain exceptions, any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. Please note: Any question or comment received after then will not get an answer, and in fact will just be deleted. (I've been getting an increasing number of people trying to post after these are closed, so will have to draw a harder line than before.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ here. Also: I will not be putting through or answering any more questions about practicing magic around children. I've answered those in simple declarative sentences in the FAQ. If you read the FAQ and don't think your question has been answered, read it again. If that doesn't help, consider remedial reading classes; yes, it really is as simple and straightforward as the FAQ says. The picture? I'm working my way through photos of my lineage, focusing on the teachers whose work has influenced me and the teachers who influenced them in turn. I've taken the lineage of OBOD back as far as I can, and now it's time to jump to another initiatory lineage, the Martinist Order. It's bad form (and forbidden by the obligations of initiation) to reveal the name of your Martinist initiator, even indirectly; thus I'm going to leap over the last several steps in my Martinist filiation to this gentleman, René Chambellant, whose title as a Gnostic bishop was Tau Renatus. Born in 1907, he was an oral surgeon by trade, and spent many years in central Africa teaching oral surgery and dentistry at a college in the Congo. He was initiated into Martinism and numerous other esoteric orders by Robert Ambelain, one of the great figures of the modern French esoteric traditions; in 1944, after the Gnostic patriarch Constant Chevillon was assassinated by the Nazis, Chambellant became the head of l'Eglise Gnostique Universelle, one of the major French Gnostic churches of the time. Several important Martinist lineages received their initiation through him.
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Re: Dolmen Arch Grade 2 Finished, Review of The Hanged God, Vampires and Dragons
Date: 2023-06-12 04:30 am (UTC)Re: Dolmen Arch Grade 2 Finished, Review of The Hanged God, Vampires and Dragons
Date: 2023-06-12 04:47 am (UTC)As for the etymology, wiktionary.org has it as:
"From Proto-Germanic *draugaz (“delusion, mirage, illusion”). Akin to Old Saxon gidrog (“delusion”) and Old High German bitrog (“delusion”), gitrog (“ghost”). See also Finnish raukka."
If you click through to *draugaz, it says "Derived from *dreuganą (“to mislead, deceive”)."
*dreuganą's etymology says "From Proto-Indo-European *dʰrewgʰ- (“to be deceptive; damage”)."
Unluckily, it seems none of these are related to dragon, which wiktionary ultimately derives from PIE *derḱ- meaning "to see."
Sounds like it might be interesting to do some more poking around. One of the sources Ms. Oates relies on that you might find interesting in this regard is Nora Chadwick's "Norse Ghosts: A Study in the Draugr and the Haugbui" in Folklore, volume 57 (1948).
Re: Dolmen Arch Grade 2 Finished, Review of The Hanged God, Vampires and Dragons
Date: 2023-06-12 05:41 am (UTC)Re: Dolmen Arch Grade 2 Finished, Review of The Hanged God, Vampires and Dragons
Date: 2023-06-12 05:49 am (UTC)Re: Dolmen Arch Grade 2 Finished, Review of The Hanged God, Vampires and Dragons
Date: 2023-06-12 03:08 pm (UTC)dragon and PIE derk seem to be related, though: I got interested and checked on etymonline.com and this is what I found on "dragon":
"mid-13c., dragoun, a fabulous animal common to the conceptions of many races and peoples, from Old French dragon and directly from Latin draconem (nominative draco) "huge serpent, dragon," from Greek drakon (genitive drakontos) "serpent, giant seafish," apparently from drak-, strong aorist stem of derkesthai "to see clearly," from PIE *derk- "to see" (source also of Sanskrit darsata- "visible;" Old Irish adcondarc "I have seen;" Gothic gatarhjan "characterize;" Old English torht, Old High German zoraht "light, clear;" Albanian dritë "light").
Perhaps the literal sense is "the one with the (deadly) glance." ..."
If etymology is correct, the Norse and English words are not connected by origin; but clearly they resemble each other - might that be understood as a kind of linguistic synchronicity?
There might be other things going on, linguistically: young Czech speakers, children learning English word "cherries" often mispronounce them "chervies": červ-pronounced cherv, means worm - and some worms eat cherries... This mistake is thus not accidental: it serves both as the meaning and the sound reminder. Little changes in pronunciation/meaning are happening for various reasons all the time.
So, I think it might be a synchronicity or a result of languages influencing each other or the etymologists are simply mistaken.:-)
Have a nice day!
With regards,
Markéta
Re: Dolmen Arch Grade 2 Finished, Review of The Hanged God, Vampires and Dragons
Date: 2023-06-12 06:53 pm (UTC)Re: Dolmen Arch Grade 2 Finished, Review of The Hanged God, Vampires and Dragons
Date: 2023-06-13 02:03 am (UTC)And there's stuff like the aegishjálmur, which is explicitly a dragon's terrifying/deadly gaze. (And Gorgons?)
Re: Dolmen Arch Grade 2 Finished, Review of The Hanged God, Vampires and Dragons
Date: 2023-06-13 02:51 am (UTC)Re: Dolmen Arch Grade 2 Finished, Review of The Hanged God, Vampires and Dragons
Date: 2023-06-12 04:47 am (UTC)Re: Dolmen Arch Grade 2 Finished, Review of The Hanged God, Vampires and Dragons
Date: 2023-06-12 05:39 am (UTC)