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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 36

The pandemic has been scrubbed from the front pages at this point and replaced by a different hysteria du jour, but the semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a steady stream of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, as the vaccinated keep catching Covid (and many of them never quite seem to get over it) while the rest of us are fine, the floor is open for discussion.

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This one might raise one's blood pressure but never mind, the take away for me was the quote "covid is a morality construct."

https://countrysquire.co.uk/2022/04/15/they-walk-among-us/

The analogy that comes to mind is, don't be hauling your powder around out in the rain.

I'm glad you shared this. I get the same hatred (less screaming and more grumbling since its people I work with) and it makes me feel better to know it's happening in other countries. I don't want it to be happening anywhere and I don't understand it, but just knowing its common helps.

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Just posted - post-vaxx onset of persistent heavy bleeding, and other serious gynecological problems

Michelle Marcoccia, Nanny
First Dose of Moderna on 04/21/21 Lot #039B21A
Second Dose of Moderna on 05/21/21 Lot #004C21A
Spokane, Washington
45 yrs old

EXCERPT

Q: What do you wish others knew?

I wish I had googled "vaccine and periods" before I took the vaccine. I will never get another corona shot, and I hope to see more data on women and their reproductive and immune systems after this vaccine. My heart goes out to everyone here, as I read these stories.

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https://www.realnotrare.com/post/michelle-marcoccia-nanny

Okay, I have been waiting for one of these, because I suddenly had a memory jog the other day.

I remember reading IAHIP Jungian psychoanalysts describing "menstrual irregularities" among certain female analysands. They also had very specific, predictive dream images.

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Fauci on April 14th - "You use lockdowns to get people vaccinated."

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1514670249316077569

Remember the guy in school who would just never ever shut up? Little Tony fits the bill.

Holy Saturday with my sleeping daughter and you. For those who may not have read it, the first part of this below.

https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/177588.html?thread=28706740#cmt28706740

So I had my moments with the penguin and by penguin, I mean HR. I took the hits from the ruler and crashed down the stairs. Come Monday I will either agree to a new role (that feels like one foot out the door) or I will not knowing that that would be the end of my job. At this point, even if I agreed to take the shot, it would make no difference. The one win, I remain toxin free for now. But it’s still a raw deal… Twelve years of hard work doesn’t count for much these days… or maybe it was just enough to give me some time to figure out my next steps. It feels surreal going through this theater with people that believe and support these shots. Our London office is full of double shot and boosted covid cases but no one wants to face the obvious, this garbage doesn’t work. It’s useless getting angry. I imagine the fate of London could befall New York, in fact it’s my personal prediction, cases in NYC offices may explode and if they do, then and only then will this stupid and inane law be dropped. Why? Because it will be clear as day that this is an affliction of the vaccinated. My only problem is I will probably be out of a job by then.

Can’t get to hung up on it for now, I just find clues in the random. Played Disorder for my baby daughter the other night… we danced around the room, baby in my arms…Every hair on my body was standing up. Someone or something else was getting in on the fun. Hadn’t played the song in years and yet, it still makes so much sense…

Lights are flashing, cars are crashing
Getting frequent now
I've got the spirit, lose the feeling
Let it out somehow

I worked downtown when 9/11 happened. Watched in horror and eventually walked home to Brooklyn. The one thing I remember distinctly was all the car accidents, it was like magnets, like people couldn’t not crash into one another…

Can’t put a finger on it but this sensation that something is building, like an acid trip in its early stages… will not go away.

I should have been sleeping last night but instead listened to the interview here.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/west-needs-wwiii-martin-armstrong-warns-theres-no-return-normal-here

Made all too much sense and ties into so many of the premonitions noted here. Something is rising to the surface. I feel it in the air.

I'm quite afraid to read this link. But thank you I will.
Oh the early stages of an acid trip, I got that feeling right in my body when I read that. It's been so very long but I can remember it clearly. And that moment when peaking and then peaked, everything was crystal clear, for a millimetre of a second then trying to grasp it. Understanding everything in the blink of an eye and then gone.
Glad you had a fun dance with the child.

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It's hard not to see this (given, especially, the last 2 years) as training for the Thought Police, citizen division.

"And certainly, families and friends cannot be expected to manage complex mental illnesses alone, without evidence-based, timely treatment...

... A 2019 Yale study found that training parents to manage their child’s anxiety was as effective as delivering cognitive behavioural therapy to the young patient – and went further in reducing family stress. The U.S. study that formalized a team of adult volunteers to reduce suicides in high-risk young people worked, in part, researchers theorized, because the trained coaches helped teenagers keep medical appointments and stay in therapy...

... Could trained friends and family monitor a patient through social media?"

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-mental-health-services-canada/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twitter_moment&utm_campaign=mental_health_training

It's the difference between listening to someone, and listening to someone with a goal in mind.

I've been asking myself the same question but does it really make a difference?

It's a threat either way, regardless if it's done by stupidity or grand design

In Finland we went from ”Rona! Rona! Rona!” to ”Russia! Russia! Russia!” and now we are at ”Nato! Nato! Nato!” - One madness follows another. We never sit down and think about anything these days. We just rush from one thing to another like headless chickens.

Week or so a go there were articles in the media trying to normalize 'rona re-infections. ”It's complitely normal to get infected 3 times a year by 'rona!” One of my relatives informed me that she now has a ”hybrid immunity”. - How does one acquire such a thing, I wondered? Why, you need to get 3 jabs and then an infection. Wonders never cease in this silly little country of ours. What will they think of next? If Igor Chudov, ”Radagast” and Vanden Bossche are right though, then things will get really ugly here soon. Herd immunity is now impossible and we are just waiting for some deadly variant to...I dare not finnish that thought.

We are also pushing forward with digital identities (vax status, bank accounts...etc all linked). They are supposed to go online next year. It is all very hush hush, which makes me even more suspcious. So I am busy emptying my bank account and converting my meager savings into something tangible before 2023 comes along. Once the government monitors all transactions, it is over. I bought a little bit of gold again, but this time it took 2 days for the broker to get back to me. It took 2 hours previously. Bad sign. Other people here are busy also trying to buy anything tangible, I reckon. Some kind of economic implosion might be on the horizon now.

So here I am left wondering if this reaction to 'rona is all just bureaucratic stupidity run amock, or some kind of grand conspiracy. Maybe third option is possible; This is a grand conspiracy that's being run by stupid people.

-Juhani

I'll cast my vote for option #3.

I truly believe that this psyop/plandemic/conspiracy is a following a very well-constructed and well-gamed plan. However, because of its vast scope - geographic, societal and institutional - there are bound to be some dim bulbs involved with its execution. It's unavoidable when trying to coordinate the work of many huge bureaucracies. And it comes with the bureaucratic mind-set that characterizes so many people everywhere. I'll simply note that, from your comment, it seems most Finns are quite comfortable with the idea of the "digital concentration camp" (h/t to Catherine Austin Fitts). I see the same in Canada with people enthusiastically pulling out their phones to scan in their QR codes, credit cards and who knows what other information.

You and I think they're stupid. They see themselves as cutting-edge and tech-savvy. We'll see if they still feel that way once this fascistic social credit system is up and running.

Liam in Toronto

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Rogan clip talking kek and changes in consciousness in accordance with will.

https://youtu.be/ZU_FWEMjqcU

Checking in on what the WEF is up to and it looks like they've stopped featuring the articles on their proposed test stations and digital trackers. In their April update they note 1 out of every 13 people in the UK is sick with covid at any one time. This sounds horrific and I'm confused why we aren't seeing those same numbers in the U.S. WEF also noted that more than 2/3's of the continent of Africa has had covid. The case count was at 8 million but they did blood samples I guess and estimated its more like 800 million have had it. They don't update their death rate at the same time.

In browsing through the website, it doesn't feel as unified and visionary as it did 6 months ago when JMG started these posts. I recall going through the website in the fall and being completely creeped out and overwhelmed by what was there on testing, tracking, and digital ID's.

Our best chance for a free life is an elite who is in disarray and disagreements with each other. This also leads to war, so it can't be too much, but unified global leadership is a nightmare.

Truer words were never spoken. It would be a nightmare indeed.

Greetings All.

My parents have the virus this whole thing is about. This is not too surprising since they are both about eighty and on immunization at least #3.

What did surprise me was this. I had been going to visit them for Easter, a 5-hour trip, and they called at 11.30 in the morning (hours after I should have left home) to ask whether I were on the train yet? You see, they had just tested positive. Not that I had known, but they had both been sick during the week. They had already been sick earlier on Friday morning when it might have been sensible to warn me not to come. Their symptoms could not be more classic: fever - head cold - sore throat - coughing, sneezing. Of all diseases this might have been, why not assume the obvious? But no, my mother maintained it had been "just a cold" because she had got a negative result on MONDAY! All the same she had been too ill to attend a family lunch on Wednesday. My father had gone to the lunch. Then they had both been at church on Thursday night. The only reason they had bothered to take the test is that one of the cousins from the lunch had called on Friday to tell them she had the virus and they had better find out if they did too.

So I was spared the visit at short notice. But this jars somewhat. It felt as though they were blithely unconcerned about their child's wellbeing. Why assume everything was okey-dokey when they have been following the narrative so faithfully all along and here was what they had been fearing?

Then it dawned on me that perhaps they have an exceptionalist mindset in general. Sorry, folks, if this seems naive to you: having known them for half a century one might think I understood such matters. But I still lack a certain analytical distance in spite of all the years of therapy to counter the emotional abuse. I'd tentatively posit they are both narcissists masquerading as good Catholics and responsible adults. I remember another case where that attitude of special pleading manifested. It was during lockdown last year. My father and another cousin wanted to go from city 1 to city 3 on a (frivolous, given the circumstances) trip to a war memorial. City 2 was on their way and closed to non-residents. But they drove through it each way nonetheless.

Now this brings me to reconsider the time I was nine and got appendicitis. It was on the last Friday of school holidays. I was not a mendacious child but the timing was sufficient reason for my parents to disbelieve I was actually sick. They let me languish for two days, and my appendix burst before they thought maybe I was telling the truth.

Everyone, I am not telling a story for sympathy so much as curious whether any of you have witnessed this kind of denial? In their case it appears to be a consistent lifelong trait that simply stands out more in the current circumstances of moral panic over safety

And, big sister erika, I got to the party several weeks too late, not for the first time, only to hear whispers, echoes and sighs in the empty room: https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26822625#cmt26822625
It led me to think of the peculiar case of the opshop (not-for-profit) where I have been volunteering. Money comes in from sales and grants, surplus money is supposedly distributed to community causes. The place has been allegedly operating at a loss but the person who runs the association somehow makes a living from it. Unlike other regular associations of this kind, there seem to be no members, a strange lack of elections and AGMs, and a permanent committee. Not to claim I understand what is going on here, but one can only suppose there is a creative consiglieri in the background.

Then I heard your voice for real! on your April Fools' Day podcast! And I did understand you!

iridescent scintillating elver

Yes I have witnessed this. We as kids have an instinctive sense of how parents "should" be, but they are the opposite of this if they have narcissistic tendencies. Parents should care about the well-being of their children but some just aren't mature enough to care about anyone besides themselves. Denial seems to be a big part of this kind of immaturity. My father was in denial when my mother was terminally ill to a shocking degree, not like a person who has faith but more like someone who simply doesn't want to deal with anything difficult. His entire life was arranged so that he would always get his own way, so I guess it shouldn't be surprising that all his supposed integrity was a facade and he didn't actually have the strength of character to face the realities of illness and death. He was perfect so bad things shouldn't happen to him—this is how he seemed to think.

Similar to what you said about your parents, he was always like this but it stood out more when life got real. When my mom died, he didn't have a word of sympathy for his kids who had just lost their mother. All his sympathy was for himself, because he didn't have anyone to do his laundry or cook his meals anymore.

I'm sorry you're having to confront the blithe unconcern of your parents on top of everything else that's happening in the world right now. You may discover more things that have always seemed "off" about your family dynamic now that you've started to recognize a pattern. The good thing about this is you may also discover that many of the negative things you believe about yourself came from the family narrative, perhaps to serve the fragile egos of your parents. I went through this process after my mom's death and journaling helped a lot in sorting out truth from fiction. Talking to trustworthy people who know you but aren't part of the family dynamic can also be good.

Apologies if I'm reading too much into what you shared. Hope this helps.

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Despite the general-sounding title, read a ways down in there and you will come to some stunningly detailed his research into the conflicts of interest of the three men who comprised the panel that made up the Covid-19 Treatment Guidelines.

https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/how-corruption-dictates-the-practice

THE THREE MEN. WHO COMPRISED THE PANEL.

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From the most recent 7 posts on realnotrare.com answers to the question:

Q: WAS YOUR REACTION REPORTED, AND WHAT WAS THE RESPONSE?

"In June of last year, a woman posted a survey online for women, regarding the vaccines and their periods. I received a follow up in the fall from this team out of the University of Illinois. Since then, nothing. I told my doctors, but I have not reported to anything like VAERS, because it seems like they don’t care. I wrote detailed messages every time I got that stupid vax check-in, week after week, and I never heard from anyone (to be fair, as time went on I got increasingly frustrated and would type my messages in all caps)."
MICHELLE MARCOCCIA
https://www.realnotrare.com/post/michelle-marcoccia-nanny

"I reported it to my neurosurgeon March 7th, 2022 and pleaded that he called down to the ER to have me assessed...but he refused.. telling me that "the ER is open so you can go down after you're done here; however, you may wait hours only to be told to go to your GP". So I left crying, and 3 days later I tried a different hospital ER. Peterborough Regional...in which I went to due to severe headaches, blurred vision, chest pain as well as levedo Reticularis...only basic lab work and ECG was done and I was sent home. Dr. was aware of 2 aneurysms needing surgery, but still did not address the issues at hand."
COLLEEN BRANDSE
https://www.realnotrare.com/post/colleen-brandse

"Adverse yellow card scheme [UK] and confirmed by doctors."
LAUREN POOLTON
https://www.realnotrare.com/post/lauren-poolton

"Reported it to Public Health [Canada], waiting on response."
JANEL GUY
https://www.realnotrare.com/post/janel-guy

"I reported to VAERS and to Moderna. VAERS responded with a phone call and a follow-up case number. Moderna sent a form to my PCP to fill out and return."
JOHN ONDESCO
https://www.realnotrare.com/post/john-ondesko

"Partially reported symptoms in VAERS."
BARBARA GRIFFIN
https://www.realnotrare.com/post/barbara-griffin

"My reaction was reported to VAERS with zero response."
JULIA WHALEN
https://www.realnotrare.com/post/julia-whalen

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus (at)DrTedros:

Thank you (at)BillGates for sending a copy of your new book. I fully agree that we must act on #COVID19’s lessons and innovate so that we can deliver swift, equitable health solutions to prevent the next pandemic. (at)gatesfoundation

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1515010722538954756

I will do this... for ONE MILLION DOLLARS!

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By the way, I've had several attempted comments that cross the line in the conspiracy-theory direction, just as a few days ago I had a little flurry in the trust-the-doctors direction. If you have any questions as to what is or isn't relevant to the conversation here, please reread the post, okay? I don't particularly enjoy deleting comments, but if I keep on fielding stuff from either end of the go-away spectrum, I may just overcome that feeling for a while.

Some of those were surely mine. Noted and apologies.

Just posted - diagnosed with POTS (Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome)

Adam Clarke, 22 yrs old
First Dose of Pfizer on 07/02/21
United Kingdom
22 yrs old

EXCERPT

Q: What was your reaction, symptoms, & timeline?

It started 2 weeks after my first dose. I felt extremely dizzy and unwell. Then my arms and legs went numb, starting in my hands and spreading upwards. I still had some feeling but barely 30% of normal. I also had vertigo, rapid heart, chest pains, tremors, dizziness, dissociative, seizures, extreme anxiety, fatigue, confusion. I basically thought I'd had some sort of stroke. My symptoms have varied over the course of 8 months now. I also developed some vision issues, including blurry vision, and seeing flashing green dots and flashes of white. At the moment, I am having heart issues. My heart races whenever I do any small activity, and I have shortness of breath.
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Q: What do you wish others knew?

That you are not alone. There are a lot of people like us who, for whatever reason, these shots did not agree with in the slightest. If it gives you any hope, I thought I would never see any improvement, but these last couple weeks, I feel like I am getting better. Still nowhere near normal, but definitely better.

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https://www.realnotrare.com/post/adam-clarke

Just a few more vaxxident data points to throw out there. There's an intersection near my house that has had three major accidents since this all began. We're talking wheels-up-in-the-air type oopsies. The kind of accident you look at and go "wait, what, how did he, um, do I really want to know?"

Before then, it was just an unremarkable spot on an unremarkable country road.

A bit of tangential anecdata. It's a lazy Easter Sunday afternoon here, and I've heard 6 ambulances move through the neighborhood this afternoon alone. A bit strange.

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March 28, 2002, Spiro Pantazatos, Columbia University Medical Center, talks about the data and his paper, "COVID Vaccination and Age-Stratified All Cause Mortality Risk"

Video runs about half an hour.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/J0Q2VPVyckxF/

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"Columbia Researcher Spiro Pantazatos may have a reliable way of determining the "Vaccine Fatality Rate" or VFR. By relating all-cause mortality with vaccine administration across states, while controlling for prior year deaths and state-to-state variation in mortality due to other factors, Dr. Pantazatos determined that in a six month period in 2021, COVID injections killed between 150,000 to 180,000 Americans. His findings are consistent with revelations from the insurance industry, which reported a 40 percent rise of mortality in people aged 18-64, relative to the pre-pandemic era. With everyone from Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla to CDC chief Rochelle Walenksy discussing the need for more boosters, Professor Pantazatos's warning could not be more timely."

My best guess is that the good doctor needs to add a zero to that estimate, and let's not forget millions more injured.

.Gov will have to eventually admit to numbers higher than what's been reported so far, as the affected get more of a public voice.

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Broadway League ends vaccine mandate for shows after April 30th

https://www.broadway.com/buzz/202086/broadway-extends-mask-mandate-through-may-vaccine-requirement-to-end/

Broadway re-opened in August 2021 and 5 million attended shows for the 2021-2022 season.

For comparison almost 15 million attended shows in the 2018-2019 season. It seems like they are ending the mandate to try to get more tickets sold. Doing 1/3 the business means the end of Broadway once that sweet federal money runs out which has got to be soon.

I felt kind of bad for the Broadway people... until Jab Crow.

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“Combine that with the demon hypothesis and I am now thinking of Western leaders as the 3 Stooges conducting a Black Mass.”

This comment from Coyote Girl seems to be the reason I got out of bed today. I used to take my spiritual pursuits half heartedly, but now I’m staring into the empty eye sockets of a mad civilization’s animated corpse which finally drove home the point “Oh okay, THAT’s why…”

I have been told that I'm doomed as an unvaccinated person:

"The unvaccinated will be be queuing up for ventilators"

"We only had all these lockdowns and rules to give everyone a chance to get vaccinated, and now that almost everyone has, the rules will be lifted and we're going back to normal"

"The unvaccinated knew the risks and now they're going to get their just desserts"

Yes indeed, the vaccinated are relishing the chance to witness the 'blood sacrifice' of all the heretics.

They believe that taking the mark has saved them, and that the rest of us both need and deserve to be sacrificed to maintain their lifestyles. They can't wait for unvaccinated deaths to affirm the rightness of their beliefs and reward their faith.

Not so much a black mass maybe, as a good old Aztec style human sacrifice to appease an insatiably hungry and destructive god.

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For each Covid article and blog post I read, I ask myself, is this the one that might convince my friends who still believe the vaccine narrative? Have I found the argument that will penetrate their mass-formation-psychosis and return them to sanity?

That article might not exist, but I wanted to draw attention to two recent pieces that I think stand out for their persuasive power:

Meryl Nass, "COVID persists, but the COVID vaccine narrative has taken on so much water, the powers that be have stopped bailing, and are going to let these vaccines slowly sink." I especially like this observation: "It seems that because US law was not designed for situations in which the government is the criminal, it has been very difficult to use the judicial system to change what is happening."

Jeff Childers, in his "Coffee and Covid" column this morning writes, "The censorship dam preventing discussion about negative vaccine effects is beginning to break... I decided to organize the most current information for you in a “fact check,” comparing what was originally claimed about the jabs to what we know now." He lists eight medical assertions about the vaccines' safety and efficacy that have been disproved.

"It seems that because US law was not designed for situations in which the government is the criminal..."

That is an interesting observation but I like to keep in mind that the rest of the western world fared much worse. In most of the world the judges, juries and constitutional courts folded immediately to the government. In Europe an unelected body (EU) has basically imprisoned people in their cities at will.

I hope these kind of conversation continue so we can find improvements to the american system but I doubt there is any framework that can stop people from selling themselves as slaves.

On a philosophical note, I remember reading about some famous Roman (Cato the Elder maybe) that was very old fashioned - if a slave did something bad, he will not send him to the city executioner. Instead, he would add all the "family" (household members including slaves) and would cut the throat of the guilty slave using a kitchen knife.
For many years, that image stayed with me - the contrast between high-minded ideals of the Romans and their practical applications of treating a person as a pig to be butchered was just shocking.

Now though I don't despise Cato (if he was) anymore - Roman slaves could and did (rarely) escape, so it's hard not to think they accepted the deal of a good life in a rich patrician's house in exchange for a small chance of being butchered to set an example for the others.

Looking around today, it's hard not to think that most people would eagerly take the same deal today.

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Covid update on reinfection: So I had covid in March 2020. I was the only one confirmed in my family back then, so don’t know if my kids had it. They never got symptoms. And my husband didn’t either. It was mild, but was an unusual respiratory virus, as it caused severe headache, lightheaded-ness and fatigue, but no cold like symptoms.

I was feeling pretty confident in my natural immunity for 2 years, but did know that the current variants are different enough that I could get sick again. So, now, 2 years later we got it again. This time it was exactly like the common cold. No extra or unusual features. All of us got it with exactly the same symptoms. Better in 5 days.

My brother, who is triple vaxxed, and has had covid twice, has still been holding onto the thought that his cases were mild because of the vaccine. I never told him my vax status, as that conversation would not have been helpful previously. But when he suggested my symptoms were mild because of the vaccine, I confirmed that that was not the case. I believe that his connection to the narrative was fraying already due to so many people around him getting covid despite their vaxed status, but he now is questioning whether the vaxxes work at all.

He is someone who several months ago said everyone should get it for ‘solidarity.’

Tamar

"He is someone who several months ago said everyone should get it for ‘solidarity.’"

Yes they did try that line on didn't they.

In my case though it didn't work, perhaps because in my case the 'solidarity' seems to be all one way. For my whole adult life I've been basically living in a system where I'm on my own - I'm just another de-unionised, fragmented, individual worker and consumer. Each of us on our own, battling each other to keep our heads above water.

But whenever it's convenient for 'them' (i.e. times of emergency and supporting/participating in nationalistic events) I'm supposed to behave differently. Suddenly I'm supposed to be a self-sacrificing member of a society instead of a consuming individual - ready and willing to 'take one for the team'.

Well, not this time. This time I did the right thing by me. No regrets so far.

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Hello, I've spent my Easter holidays in a small town, where I've seen almost everybody unmasked outdoors. There were masked only about 10% of the people in the streets.
However, in the "cosmopolitan" town where I use to live, between 60-70% of the people are masked outdoors yet.
It looks like there is a cultural gap between cities and country villages...

-A Spaniard.

Thanks for your reports from Spain - I very much appreciate reading on-the-ground reports from other countries!

Milkyway

thoughts on us being The Pretty Ones now...

i realize that many of you MOST of you here don't believe it yet.
that is my job and i don't know how to do it.
Mr Jerome at KPOO called and left a message that i heard but ignored because i thought NOW I'M GOING INSANE if i hear all the telemarketers on my answering machine as Mr Jerome. yes. i have a real answering machine. some girl calling me thought it was genius that you can hear and pick up if you know the caller- "where can i get one?" she asked because she never listens to the messages on her magic phone voice mail.

in Hearthspirit's recent post: https://hearthspirit.dreamwidth.org/3654.html

all the elements of her story spoke to me like Kyle's did from the long-ago Ecosophia (main) post about Kyle's almost being killed by a dog and the being he saw who spoke to him and his connection with the dog later and decision whether to avenge himself or not.

and i saw that as an analogy about what we're going through with certain types of people. narcissists sociopaths or as coyote girl brilliantly termed regarding the western leaders, "The Three Stooges Conducting a Black Mass"...The Regular Normal People Running Things.

my premise my theory or thesis is:

the abused are often the scapegoats because the abuser senses their humanity or even DIVINITY and either wants to cleanse themselves on the person or break them to not mock them.

the women like Heathspirit and so many others who just want to LIVE and feel something we end up often with the crazy friends who Go Too Far. that's the point. everyone else behaving and doing right is hella BORING and deadly.

we don't understand.

but then someone feels too much and takes it out on us. whether it's biting raping molesting beating torturing... and WE feel shame or guilt or a combination of many things.

and the girls who denied Hearthspirit's bites were actually JEALOUS of her attention of her ability to make someone lose it on her like that. they also FEAR it. fear men's masculinity. masculinity which is kept tightly bound in society.

but then someone a woman usually a girl awakens this and they snap everyone snaps and it's all they can do to pretend it never happened because if so it ruins it upends EVERYTHING.

same way with the world.

in reading the "Lessons of History" by the Durants, this has ALL happened before. they've sent boys off to die regularly for stupid wars or experimented on the populace with all sorts of things.

i don't see any trials except maybe a few scapegoats will be needed but this has been done before and will again. because what are you/we gonna do?

when they bite everyone in society like hearthspirit, everyone EVERYONE pretends it doesn't/hasn't/didn't/won't happen.

someone else said it more concisely than me: WE ARE THE PRETTY ONES BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES WILLING TO SAY WHAT WON'T BE SAID

and that's where we are as far as i can see.

i keep thinking "parallel system" but James says "impossible" but i say nah. i may have pulled back on my dreams of clutching back the Constitution from The Normies ravaging it, but it's not up to ME.

what i CAN do is try and show you how PRETTY YOU ARE to slow down the shame guilt and all the thoughts that will eclipse yours and our reality so that you can trust what you know what you see what you've experienced.

in fact, i don't quite understand this but the girl hearthspirit told about her bites and showed, they have no sympathy for her, for that. for what happened to her. they are not only jealous and find her threatening (they also don't understand her shine), they want to ERADICATE her.

so hearthspirit will often be alone.

WE will.

because pretty HURTS. pretty is a way of thinking and feeling and experiencing LIFE and you challenge their death whenever you have totems of passion. bites are totems of confused passion gone awry.

but it's all a con game. who pretends nothing happened first and is confident enough to get away with it. because we're ashamed unsure or we know no one will have sympathy or have our backs. only think we had it coming.

THAT's what we're dealing with.

and Mr Jerome from KPOO called and if it's to go on the air after all, i'm wondering what's the revised goal now? local still is my dream to start a scene a party a THING in the real to help people meet each other collaborate and DATE again.

because the phones have made everyone creepy like how creepy used to be PRIVATE.

i thought we need to give more love to the ones who wrap their arms and legs around us and hold the cigarettes up to our lips or whatever we're needing. in this kind of love that would make the Normies howl in terror because cigarettes terrify them while they are nutritious oranges to some of us at the right moment. even menthols.

and Violet. she's the LAST person we need feeling shy around here in this laboratory. Violent oughta' be SWAGGERING for all she knows and feels and gives.

so that's my goal. to get you here who've been in your own fetal positions of despair and it's time to bring what we know of the dark into LIGHT. i don't know any other way of upending the Three Stooges conducting this Black Mass that everyone's pretending they don't see or isn't happening.

we're not gonna be liked. we're not supposed to be liked.

we're going to make a ton of people uncomfortably and when Regular Normal People are Uncomfortable, they are HELLA DANGEROUS.

they will be glad for your bite marks and for your losing your job or health they don't care.

this Narcissism is what we used to call "being white" when we were kids. James and i have been arguing for weeks because i still say that and he says it's NARCISSISM as you all called out here-- Kallianeira/Lilly.

and they are broken, too. they're running the world. this country maybe the west makes narcissists. i don't know. i'm new to the term as i'm suspicious of terms and who's using them. who's calling ME "toxic"??? someone even more toxic?

because it's always the selfish women of my life who rage and call ME a narcissist. so that word makes me hella itchy.

but yes... narcissists calling others narcissists. it's still hard to SEE.

and we were told that parents should love their children first and they should do all they can to enable them to thrive but children are not mulch for parents to live forever... LIKE NOW.

so yes, Kallianeira... i see what you're saying about your folks. my mother's folks (german/french) were the same. my mom was the same. it's this CULTURE.

it's why we're here in this open post.

the Pretty Ones trying to find a way to cry uncle and change the whole thing around and show a different way to live. i used to say it was "black" but it's not. it's the Others. the poor. the ones who still have community and watch out for each other, so it's not even the poor anymore.

it's not just technology for disconnecting us, which i've blamed seeing how it killed san francisco. it goes with the financialization of everything and we (civilization/people) has done this before in other eras. we've done everything before.

so i don't feel as panicked.

i feel there's an inevitability (karma consequences patterns habits whatever you wanna call it) BUT within that inevitability there can be other currents or eddies forming.

my first personal task is to keep waking us up to our Prettiness so we don't hush up feel shame or wait to see if anyone else is gonna go first.

so Murmuration your name is the name of MY game. to find and unearth us who feel like the vermin. we know things they cannot handle. i don't wanna do the same as them and victimize anyone; i want to put people in their place so they can stop being and supporting The Three Stooges Conducting a Black Mass.

someone else quoted someone about leaving ignoring their power pedestal and letting it all fall... crumble.

so we have to pitch an alternative story. an alternative WAY. because we really ARE the Pretty Ones now.

no more bites.

x

erika

Don't start lying now!

I'm almost never alone. I told you... I think they're listening to my phone ;-)

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Hahaha, text conversation with a COVID cultist friend (who rushed out to get the vaccine ASAP, and is triple jabbed, and still caught quite a bad case twice and has repeatedly told me I'm crazy for being unvaccinated despite lengthy arguments):

Him: Hey, I'm thinking of taking Propecia to control my balding hair but concerned about side effects reported online. Do you know about it?

Me: Yes, I've been on it for over a decade of near daily use. No side effects for me, and I've kept my hair so it seems to have worked although obviously I have no way of knowing what I would have looked like if I hadn't used it for the last decade.

Him: Nah, I'm not gonna do it. It's too risky to sign up for a medical treatment with potential side effects, especially constant or repeated use. I'd never take a risk like that with my health - Big Pharma is notoriously ruthless and unconcerned about the health of patients and their incentives are disconnected from ours.

Me: Err...the COVID vaccines you took? The ones which are *actually* untested experimental procedures, as opposed to Propecia which has been used for decades, has been shown to be effective and while it certainly has side effects, they are extremely well known, documented and very minor?

(No answer to my last text)

*Bangs head against wall*

Careful with the headbanging.

The other night I was reading Emily Carr's Klee Wyck and clear liquid started coming out of my eyes.

Now, again, being a politician I had my tear ducts removed*, so this alarmed me; I worried it was like a vasectomy, and sometimes those things don't take, right. You gotta go back and do it again.

But it was just cerebrospinal spinal fluid, which may be just as alarming. Wasn't the book, it was the walls.

Use this safety position:
https://www.dreamstime.com/stock-images-upset-man-leaning-his-head-against-wall-fist-clenched-image33527584

*there are all sorts of additional surgeries you can have to make sure you can still keep your eyeballs moist - tongue frenulum snip so you can lick em, tongue split to save time. But I declined, it did not seem worth it. I live in the PNW, so it rains all the time and I just look up and hope I don't drown like they say turkeys do.

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Oh my.

I feel I'm losing my mind just reading the headline:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10723515/Scientists-worlds-cure-heart-attacks-using-mRNA-technology-Covid-vaccines.html

-JH

There was another brain breaking one I came across yesterday: "Euthanized eagle dies of bird-flu." I didn't bookmark the link, but.

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This post from boriquagato provides a novel way to look at all the brainwashing and gaslighting going on in the MSM.
Basically, "they" use propaganda to get ahead of the issues that are coming.

In this case, "long covid" might be a cover for VAIDS or something similar. Propagandists are waving around a number of 20% (percent of infected who supposedly get LC) - if this is correct we might expect 20% of foxxed to suffer from this.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/know-whats-about-to-go-wrong-by-what?s=r

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