Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 36
Apr. 12th, 2022 01:02 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
The pandemic has been scrubbed from the front pages at this point and replaced by a different hysteria du jour, but the semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a steady stream of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, as the vaccinated keep catching Covid (and many of them never quite seem to get over it) while the rest of us are fine, the floor is open for discussion.
Re: Dr Pantazatos: COVID injections killed between 150,000 to 180,000 Americans.
Date: 2022-04-18 06:22 am (UTC).Gov will have to eventually admit to numbers higher than what's been reported so far, as the affected get more of a public voice.
Re: Dr Pantazatos: COVID injections killed between 150,000 to 180,000 Americans.
Date: 2022-04-18 07:09 am (UTC)Mark L
Re: Dr Pantazatos: COVID injections killed between 150,000 to 180,000 Americans.
Date: 2022-04-19 12:55 am (UTC)Those numbers "magically" reset in January. Like inflation, is there any .gov source that can be trusted with actual, honest, numbers?
I'm not sure how you calculate the 50-60% higher rate of death, but haven't we seen a couple of reports from insurance companies/actuaries of +40% increases of all cause deaths?
If VAERS admits to 25K deaths from the Jabs, and has a under-reporting factor of 10-1 to 100-1, with 40-50 to 1 as a best guess, that would put actual deaths from the vaccines at just over 1,000,000. This isn't hard to believe if many of the 1M covid virus deaths are re-categorized to correctly be Jab deaths by simply removing the two week rule.
In any case, it comes down to whether or not you believe in any set of numbers out there....
Re: Dr Pantazatos: COVID injections killed between 150,000 to 180,000 Americans.
Date: 2022-04-19 03:03 am (UTC)If we assume that deaths are being reported, then we have 16% excess deaths for 2021, or just shy of 500,000 deaths above the expected number. See https://www.usmortality.com/excess-absolute
Some of those are covid deaths, many of which pre-date widespread vaccination (i.e. Jan-Feb. 2021) and certainly covid didn't stop causing deaths once vaccination ramped up. Some are also going to be deaths of despair, addiction, etc. as fallout from the societal disruptions that accompanied lockdowns, business closures, etc.
So far we are up 126,000 deaths (17% above expected) for 2022.
Even if we try to ascribe the entire excess death since widespread vaccination to the shots, we don't get to a million. And that would certainly be wrong. Some analysts like The Ethical Skeptic on Twitter have tried to use various statistics and metrics to estimate how much excess death can't be readily explained and could therefore be attributable to the vaccines. Those numbers tend to come in around the 150,000 range.
I can't explain the workforce numbers that Denninger is citing; however I am highly skeptical of interpreting anomalies in a rather opaque bureaucratic dataset as "obviously it means they died and their deaths weren't reported."
Deaths among younger adult age groups are up 40% according to insurance datasets, which is a big red flag. That said, it's an increase of a small number since younger folks tend not to die, and overall deaths are not up by that much.
Mark L
Re: Dr Pantazatos: COVID injections killed between 150,000 to 180,000 Americans.
Date: 2022-04-19 02:01 pm (UTC)It's my opinion that Covid cases numbers and deaths were artificially inflated prior to the Vaxxes being released, as flu went away in 2020. Once the Jabs were rolled out, excess deaths appeared to continue even in between the peaks of the Covid waves, as Denninger didn't notice any decrease in the working population until 2021. And he's been following those numbers for over 20 years, and claimed it was the first time he'd observed such an anomaly. That doesn't mean there wasn't some other issue with the data, but I gave it a little more credence due to it NOT coming from the CDC or FDA or AMA. I would add that it's impossible to draw any "obvious" conclusions, from any of these datasets.
So while the CDC numbers are 989,835 deaths in the US due to Covid, these numbers have never undergone any reclassification to determine actual "of Covid" numbers. VAERS is now up to 29K deaths from the Jabs. Personally, I feel that the Jabs are far more serious than the virus itself, though there is certainly some overlap in how each can be fatal. I think those two numbers could be switched around, and be more accurate.
If any accurate numbers are EVER available for this event, I'd be shocked. Like say, a control group. I'm very confident that the numbers have been manipulated, and in which direction. I'm less confident that vaccine related deaths are 1-2M, but since 218M Americans have taken two jabs, that only requires "losing track/burying" 0.5% to 0.9% of those to hit the seven figure threshold.
Statistics and damn lies, as the saying goes. Oh - and yes, the 40% increase was for "working age" adults, though still a small number as you stated. A bit in stark contrast to the early CDC numbers from 2020 though, in which the average age of a person dying from Covid was something like 81 with four comorbitities.
Re: Dr Pantazatos: COVID injections killed between 150,000 to 180,000 Americans.
Date: 2022-04-19 04:42 pm (UTC)