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Magical Insulation and Cast Iron
Date: 2019-11-04 05:21 am (UTC)I have two questions this week. The first is, what is the best way to insulate one's magical tools and charms from the effects of a banishing ritual?
The second being, what is different about cast iron, like that used in a cauldron,that makes it suitable for use in brewing potions or other magical concoctions? I ask, because generally iron nullifies most magics in the traditional lore, but cast iron pots seem ubiquitous with magicans and witches.
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Date: 2019-11-04 05:44 am (UTC)2) That's a good question which will probably require further research to settle. Iron nullifies some kinds of magic but not all; many witches use iron athames, many mages use iron swords, and of course iron is the preferred material for talismans of Mars. Myself, I use glass to brew potions and the like, since glass is magically inert; the cauldron I use for magical workings in the AODA system is meant as a receptacle for magical forces, not for liquids.
Fish Goddess?
Date: 2019-11-04 05:32 am (UTC)My husband, who does not practice magic, had an interesting magical dream recently. He was travelling by many different means in the dream and at the end was walking along a highway when two young women approached him and asked him to have a drink with them. One of the young women was human and the other human shaped but with the eyes and features of a fish. He said she was beautiful but not sexy. He shirt and trousers appeared to be made of nets. She offered him a glass of wine and a long cracker. Sensing this was a communion ritual, he demurred and woke himself up.
I had a look on the internet for a Goddess of this description. I didn't find anything. Does anyone here know who she might be?
Thanks, Maxine
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Date: 2019-11-04 05:54 am (UTC)I recently had a rather unpleasant experience that I believe was a karmic culmination brought on even though I am doing very mild practices, and I’m wondering if
a) that means I have an uncommon amount of baggage
b) the general practice of affirmations pokes at a weirdly personally specific location of baggage
c) it backfired because of the specific affirmation I chose or
d) what I went through *is* mild karmic culmination, and good lord that’s why you don’t try to accelerate it
For the past 4 months, I have been doing the SOP with generic element/nature wording, no gods. It seems to be working well. I recently added weekly hoodoo baths since I am a local politician, and I’ve been doing a daily three card tarot divination for decades, so I’ve kept up with that. Then about two weeks ago I decided to add an affirmation. I chose one that I had hoped would help me feel less of an imposter in my public role. I chose “I am a leader”.
In hindsight, this was obviously a bad idea – while I was thinking that it would help me bring out good leadership qualities in myself, a leader is still someone *chosen* under the will of others, in whatever guise. So it clearly required acting on other’s wills. I felt increasingly unmoored all week, passing it off as an unusually stressful week, which it was, until I got right irate at my colleagues at Council at a meeting on a big, media-saturated item, and made regretable statements. The press was there, and of course I get quoted in the paper the next day sounding like Trump. The video of the meeting of course goes in the town permanent record. My colleagues are professional and good people, so stuck to castigating me individually over the phone the next day, saying absolutely nothing that was not true, but crushing, and worded with decency. It may take the remaining three years in tenure to get close to back to normal with at least one of them, but others will smooth over more quickly. The flipside of course, is that several people I know who read the paper and saw the meeting didn’t think it was a deal at all; so my behaviour cleared “normal expectations”, but not “professional, usually thoughtful person” bar (you know... like a "leader"). The really weird part was how at a conference in the next town over, suddenly, a day later people started backing away from me, like magnets of reverse poles. Nobody had read the incident in my town’s paper, no one knew who I was ahead of time. It was uncanny – just all in a mass, groups would go silent and back up a step, or look at me with a startled look. They didn’t consciously realise it either, if we began speaking, they would seem relieved and move back closer. It was like people jumping at a sinister shape in an alley, then being relieved it was only their friend.
Now – I was also the person who once asked a question that made another poster respond with links about scrupulosity (thanks to that person!), so in some ways I started to feel relief - in all my years feeling socially awkward, I had never had such a thing happen; it was suddenly obvious all my previous fretting was all in my head, this was the *real* deal. And I call this "karmic" because it hit all the buttons on my insecurities about my personality fitness for leadership.
So now I feel I’m in a precarious environment, where landmines may still be strewn about, and I’m not sure how to proceed – if it’s got to work out because of where I am on my spiritual path, and it’s already in motion, then it doesn’t seem there’s much for it, I’m in for it. I cast a series of shield charts asking about whether I should try a new affirmation based on a local Salish teaching (“I am of good mind”) I got LW Rubeus, Judge Populus RW Rubeus, which seems like a clear enough heck no.
So it seems like affirmations, or at least any that occur to me! – are really bad news for me, despite being bunny slope stuff. This is disquieting! What could that mean?
When I asked if I should try adding meditation instead for a gentler way to process my karma, I got LW: Puella Judge Via RW Rubeus, with no way of the points; and asking if simply going back to what I was doing to avoid more public humiliation I got LW Acquisitio Judge Acquisitio RW Populus.
Does my read of the latter two responses seem correct?
I am reading the other options as meditation still gets at the gunk I’ve got to deal with, but seems to be a clear way to integrate it more gently, since Puella is stable and keyword is Harmony; however, the image of mirror for puella is likely particularly apt, and it may still *feel* bad to me to see my insidey parts, even if I act less atrocious. Via indicates an abrupt change from Rubeus.
Sticking with what I’m doing I will successfully get by without another blowout – but I wonder if the imagery of acquisitio also means that it also means I keep the baggage.
I lean toward adding the meditation, as ditching the baggage was kinda my goal - I’m okay with inner turmoil. But, I’d like to not embarrass and insult my colleagues again.
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Date: 2019-11-04 06:24 am (UTC)But there's the other factor as well. If you want to become a leader, you get to have the experiences that will make you a leader, and those include making mistakes so that you'll learn about their consequences and be able to judge your actions more carefully. It also includes discovering the difference between your personal insecurities and actually making a fool of yourself in public. So you're getting exactly what you requested.
I'd definitely encourage you to add meditation to your practices, as that will make the process of developing self-knowledge noticeably gentler. I'd also encourage you to continue with your existing affirmation exactly as it is. You want to be a leader, and that's a high and worthy goal. You don't become a leader by feeling good about yourself, though; you become a leader by making mistakes, landing in awkward situations, and dealing with them, developing the skills of leadership in the process. You're in the middle of that experience right now. Now's the time to affirm your intention, go forward, learn from your experience, and take a big step toward becoming the leader you have willed to be.
That is to say, TSW. Now rise to the challenge.
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Date: 2019-11-04 06:57 am (UTC)In the last year, I have three times dreamed a book or story scene or chapter that I later read, written by someone else. One by a friend I hadn't met at the time I dreamed it who later gave me her just finished book to beta read, one by a fanfic author I have not met and likely never will, and the third by an author friend I know only over the internet.
I've been documenting dreams for a while, as some of them are precognitive, but this is slightly weirder than that. Any thoughts on what, why, or how? Particularly as someone who dabbles in writing, though it seems obvious I should simply not write anything I dream of reading, it's disconcerting.
BoysMom
Precognitive Reding & Writing
Date: 2019-11-05 01:31 pm (UTC)Good luck!
Steiner on Body, Soul, and Spirit
Date: 2019-11-04 07:44 am (UTC)I'm reading a book of lectures by Steiner on his Waldorf schooling system. The lecture was given to a group of Anthroposophists, who were already familiar with his nomenclature. I am not clear on the difference between "soul" and "spirit", but I have some clues from how he talks about the ages of a child.
In his view, the education of roughly the first 7 years-- until the teeth change-- should be primarily an education of the body, letting the child explore what the like in a primarily sensory way. The second 7 years-- until puberty-- the focus should shift to feeding the soul, with "soul milk"-- exploration in artistic creativity, fairy tales, and legends, where all objects and facts are endowed with feelings and and the like. From puberty until 21, the shift would be to feeding the spirit, and "spirit milk". I haven't read far enough to know in depth what this entails, other than that this is where intellectual pursuits finally come into the fore.
[Shock quote: "Reading and writing as we have them today are really not suited to the human being till a later age--the eleventh or twelfth year--and the more a child is blessed with not being able to read and write well before this age, the better it is for the later years of life. A child who cannot write properly at thirteen or fourteen (I can speak out of my own experience because I could not do it at that age) is not so hindered for later spiritual development as one who early, at seven or eight years, can already read and write perfectly."]
I'm still grappling with these ideas; even accepting his basic premise for human development, I'm not sure I'm entirely on board with his approach to it yet. But I'll certainly keep on reading. I want to know a lot more about how these ideas are meant to take form in real life practice.
For now, I am just looking to get the terminology straight. Do you think it's correct to read this body/soul/spirit breakdown as a version of the same system you have laid out in the past, of Physical and Etheric Bodies, Astral Body, and a Mental Sheath/Body? Would you say that's probably a useful equivalence to Steiner's Body/Soul/Spirit breakdown?
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Date: 2019-11-04 08:01 pm (UTC)There isn't a really close fit between the German division and the set of subtle bodies I've been discussing. Steiner was simply using a standard way of thinking about the self in his language and culture. Mind you, the basic scheme seems to work well in practice, which I suppose is a vote in favor of German (and French, which has the same distinction -- l'ame is seele and l'esprit is geist).
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Date: 2019-11-04 08:53 am (UTC)I have a form of social anxiety which manifests in blushing, fear of saying anything, especially anything humorous, to groups of people who I don't know well, and a general sense of being always aware that I might be being watched. Part of it may also be ego-driven (why would it be that people would stop whatever they are doing to pay so much attention to me?) but a large chunk of it comes from a childhood distrust of my environment coming from strife at home and at school.
I did a lot of journalling and meditation on the sources of this, and the specific reasons why I am the way I am - being called lazy and a loser by my father and treated with apathy by my mother while growing up, and being bullied for being the nerd at school by the cool kids are pretty clear reasons why I tend to react with greater caution when in unfamiliar social situations, especially when it involves particular types of people.
I have come to terms with dealing with the lack of confidence through meditation and journalling and that my adult experiences have shown me more clearly an impartial and realistic view of myself, and indeed, sometimes I have had the opposite characteristic of having too much of a sense of entitlement, probably due to overcompensation for my childhood. You wrote before that an overinflated sense of ego paradoxically comes from a lack of self-confidence and an unclear sense of self-worth.
But it is one thing to know the reasons for my social anxiety, and another to actually change the deep-seated automatic reflexes I have in social situations. Do you have suggestions of how to change this behavior now that I understand its sources? I am working through the DMH, up to the grove ceremony so far.
I should note that after divination and meditation, I previously tried a SOP working in which I invoked 'a clear sense of self worth and self-confidence' for Fire, and banished 'self-centeredness' for Fire as well, along with banishing 'childhood fears' for Water, and the amount of issues that this working kicked up (marital discord, trouble with my parents) was so strong that after a couple of weeks of the working I switched back to the normal SOP to give myself time to regroup. I probably need to try a gentler working...
Thank you!
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Date: 2019-11-04 08:15 pm (UTC)When you change, everyone around you who is used to having you act in a certain way will tend to push back against the changes. Yes, that can be challenging! The best way around that is to move a little at a time. I'd recommend starting with a simple affirmation: "I release my childhood fears" or the like. While you do that, write about those fears and the incidents that caused them, so you can bring the whole tangled mess back up into conscious awareness and recognize that you're not a child any more and don't have to fear what you once feared. The reflexes will go away when the emotional energy underlying them is released, and that's going to involve a lot of remembering.
One further caution: be prepared for serious pushback from your parents no matter what you do. Depending on how much of their own emotional energy is invested in keeping you down, you may have to distance yourself from them a little -- or a lot. These things happen; I haven't spoken to my mother in getting on for 30 years, and cutting off contact with her was a very positive step for me, for reasons not all that different from the ones you've discussed.
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Date: 2019-11-04 08:57 am (UTC)Secondly, I would like to impart an experience of my own: A magic wand of oak wood has a slightly solar character, i. e. in the Sphere of Protection, it changes the way the element Earth feels when invoked, and to a lesser degree, modifies the way the element water feels when invoked.
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Date: 2019-11-04 11:09 pm (UTC)2) That certainly corresponds to tradition -- the oak is typically associated in mythology with sky gods such as Zeus.
Enlightenment
Date: 2019-11-04 09:25 am (UTC)Over on Ecosophia you mentioned in a reply that there are "other consequences" to spiritual enlightenment than freedom from captivity by stories.
Would you mind to elaborate a bit on those?
Thanks,
Graeme
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Date: 2019-11-04 10:18 am (UTC)I recently did a Gwydion and the Pigs spread for the question, 'What would be the consequences of doing the magical working I have planned for the intention of building enduring wealth for my family?' I drew Bi, then Gi and Hi, then Di and Si, then Ti.
1. Can the first and sixth letters in this (or any of this type) spread be read as a trajectory for the consequences? This seems to indicate that the working would have little effect and anything that occurred would come to an end, contrary to the intention. However...
2. I interpreted Gi as indicating that there would be positive effects in a number of areas of my life in the short term and Hi to indicate that the intention would be fulfilled in the longer term. This seems to conflict with the 'trajectory' as I interpreted it above. Could this indicate effects that are good but short-lived, and that ultimately fizzle?
3. Are there any obvious problems with the intention of the working as stated above? Would it be better to intend to build enduring wealth in a particular form (real estate, investments, patronage) and then go about doing things to make that happen, or let the universe work out the form in which it arrives (or not, as the case may be)? Is it simply too broad an intention for a natural/candle magic working to make much happen? I'm not pinning my future on it, so failure is not a huge deal.
Thank you for doing Magic Mondays!
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Date: 2019-11-04 11:20 pm (UTC)2) That's certainly a plausible interpretation. The idea of "enduring wealth" is itself much more problematic than contemporary pop culture makes it sound, since any attempt to build a store of value depends on a galaxy of assumptions about what people in the future will value and what goods and services will be available in exchange for any given set of tokens of value -- and such assumptions are routinely dead wrong.
3) A simple natural magic working is considerably underpowered for an attempt to change the economic destiny of an entire family into the far future! If something that small could have effects on that scale, we would all be millionaires. You can certainly use candle magic and natural magic for prosperity on an ongoing basis with good effect, but with magic as with all other things, the effect you get is going to be proportional to the effort you apply to it.
New role
Date: 2019-11-04 11:25 am (UTC)Within that same time frame I have picked up what you describe above as a daily routine of "not just dabbling" in ritual magic. My friend and I had spoken off-the-cuff a few times about moon signs, and meditation, "spooky tarot readings," and such, but then he took me off-guard completely a few weeks ago when he asked me if I would teach him "all the stuff you do. Teach me your wisdom."
I'd been trying to get him to read "Retrotopia," as my usual litmus test to divine like minds, but he's a TV junkie (two of them going at the same time!), and "just doesn't read." But I knew he'd like it - he's never owned a cell phone or been on the internet - so over the course of a couple of weeks I read it to him. He absolutely loved it.
I made my first mistake as a mentor in the occult pretty quickly though. In an effort to clarify what "all the stuff I do" is, and are you sure?, I took a stack of books, tarot cards, and my journal to his house one day, while we were still reading "Retrotopia," for show and tell. I explained what natural magic is, showed him your ENM, and pointed out that natural magic is like a second language I speak; it, ahem, colors everything I do. And I explained that everyone, even Christians during the heyday of the Inquisition, practiced it at one time.
I told him about getting hagged in January '18, and how I'd gone looking for answers to help explain what exactly that was, and introduced him to your book "Monsters." (Although I think mentioning that mermaids were apparently real, and "just" aquatic fairies, was more than he was prepared for at that moment! Yikes. Second mistake.)
Then I very generically spoke of a daily banishing ritual, calling on various Hebrew names of God and the 4 archangels, to strengthen my subtle bodies and prevent further attacks from entities like the Old Hag. And he said, "they didn't teach us THAT at the Baptist Church!" I smiled and moved on to discursive meditation, and card divination. I mentioned geomancy briefly, and how it might be a good option for someone like him who likes to flip a coin to guide his actions. But I think I was in overload territory at that point and needed to bail!
So after all that I looked at him and the look on his face and said, "so just the meditation then? Or you still want to learn all of it?"
And he responded "all of it. Some of that I'm not ready for yet, but I'd like to maybe try to get there." Amazing. So I didn't completely blow it before we even got going! Still, I felt like my first lesson as a mentor was "take it SLOW!" Don't overwhelm the potential student. And I guess I should have known better; it took me forever to come to grips with what you were trying to teach me, and I'd had the freaky experiences to support it!
Anyway, we wrapped up "Retrotopia" last week and I offered him a selection of books to choose from next: Monsters, Mystery Teachings, or a book of Wendell Berry essays (I was really trying to move S-L-O-W by that point...) He chose Monsters, and I think that was a great direction to head, especially as we read the opening lines on Halloween afternoon. Read up through the part about the Old Hag, for the sake of relevance, and called it a session, went home and took my kids trick-or-treating. Left instructions to choose a time every day to sit perfectly still in the DM position for 5 minutes, and to try to start writing in a journal. Just a little something as often as he could remember.
So that's where we are to date. I got the "take it really slowly" lesson right away, and I'm doing my best to ease into all this from the best angles for him, but you're the professor here - any advice on how to teach basic occultism to a noob? You got through to me eventually, and that was a tall order!
Tripp
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Date: 2019-11-04 12:41 pm (UTC)First off, I don't think they vary all that much from Moon sign to Moon sign. Maybe in the hands of someone more adept than I those subtle variations could be teased out, but for me, the signals just aren't loud enough.
Second, I mentioned last time that they were great for meditation and divination but not for ritual. I'd like to retract that statement. They are good for all of those. The issues with visualization I reported were likely just my own, and have since been corrected. Morning practice, all of it, is the only time I wear the bluestones now, and I really enjoy it. Except that they do tend to tint the normally-white Kether sphere with their green-blue color.
And that leads me to my general impression of the substance. By themselves they are not for everyday wear (which is probably why more people don't wear them). My wife and I have both found them to be too...spiritual. They make us spacey, and distant, disconnected from the material world. More than once I've had to just take them off and do a closing hand gesture to snap out of it. I taught her how to do that too, and she said it was like waking up from a dream.
But the healing power I get from them is real. I could see Stonehenge being a place of intense healing - if one had the time to just BE there, inside the inner circle, with no obligation to get along in the material world. Wearing them, or likely being in the circle, for long periods isn't terribly restful though! It's challenging, mentally tiring. Makes me wonder if your garden-variety pilgrim didn't spend the majority of his time within the henge in its outer circle.
But that leads me to the geomantic portion of my inquiry. I want to wear them; I want to receive the healing power they have to offer. My shoulder could really use it. So I asked the geomantic spirits if the stones could be combined with carnelian to add some energy and fire, and jet to ground it all out in the real world, manifest that potential.
I got Amissio as RW, Carcer as LW, and Fortuna Major as Judge. Here's what this says to me: my relationship to the beads as-is plays the role of the querent, and something ain't right. Carcer significates the quesited - the addition of jet and carnelian to the mix. And Fortuna Major is the outcome of adding those beads to the mix - a great success.
All 3 of those have Fire and Earth elemental symbolism. In the case of Carcer it's the active Fire and Earth lines of the figure itself, and with the other two it's their inner and outer elements. Carcer's inner and outer elements are both Earth, which suggested to me the idea of isolating the bluestone beads between jet beads, with the fiery carnelian on the other side of the jet, not in contact with the bluestone. That is, jet-bluestone-jet-carnelian-...
Contemplation drew me to the design of Stonehenge itself. Earth-Bluestone-Earth-Bluestone-Earth...with the occasional fire (the Sun) poking through the various windows thus created. I'm still missing the Air element, and I certainly considered the need to add that to the mix in the beginning, but in all 3 figures the Air element is latent, suggesting that it might be better without it. And indeed I find Air to be my most challenging element.
What's your take here? Am I just reading it the way I want it to read or do you think there's something to it? Would love to know what Sara thinks about the design as well!
Thanks very much for all this! I know I've been long-winded on 2 occasions already this week...
Tripp
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Date: 2019-11-04 11:26 pm (UTC)I'll let Sara know that you tossed a question her way. Beads are very much her area of expertise rather than mine.
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Date: 2019-11-04 11:29 pm (UTC)Levelling up as a mage
Date: 2019-11-04 01:10 pm (UTC)I would like to share my experiences first. I've been doing the SoP for a while; I'm currently finishing the 4th gate (Earth) and an interesting thing happened to me: the visuals of the ritual suddenly became a lot more real; I am standing inside the picture now and I can feel the temperatures, the smell, even a touch of wind on my skin when appropriate. It's much more powerful. I feel like I've leveled up as a ritual mage (using the D&D language).
Also, I stopped seeing doom, destruction and gloom in my ogham readings and started seeing situations instead i.e. I’m no longer afraid to cast divinations. This is a positive development too.
I've also had an interesting dream experience a few days ago. I had a nightmare: I was trapped in some underground labyrinth by an evil spirit or a ghost. I've been wandering the maze for what seemed like an eternity, until finally I found the exit: a stairway leading up with a door at the end of it. But the ghost was there, blocking my way. Then I thought "I could banish it". I drew a banishing symbol in the air in the direction of the ghost. I don't remember which symbol it was; it could've been a pentagram. Then I said "I banish you!". The ghost dissipated and I was free, the door opened, I walked into the bright white light and... I woke up smiling. Even when I sleep, I remember that I can banish things now. Feels like an improvement.
Now for the questions I have today:
1) You once (or more than once) said that meditation is the most important out of the three practices. Why? It builds the mental body, but why is it more important than doing the SoP and getting in contact with divine energies? I feel that you're tempted to say "why don't you meditate on it" and I surely will, but please give me more to go on.
2) Why is Zeus called a “Saturnian king” in the Orphic hymns? He's associated with Jupiter, not Saturn. One would think that Kronos would be the Saturnian king as he is, you know, Saturn.
3) You mentioned people can turn doing their jobs into spiritual practices? Can I meditate while I work? I could keep a very strong mental focus, not let anything distract me. That way I could up my spiritual training by many hours a day. Anything else I could do?
Best regards,
Polytropos.
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Date: 2019-11-04 01:15 pm (UTC)1) Is it possible then that part of what causes autism is brain damage induced by exposure to screens? If this is the case, do you think the effects are permanent, or could reducing screen time help to alleviate some of the symptoms?
2) What steps do you take to avoid getting lost in the internet?
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Date: 2019-11-04 11:41 pm (UTC)2) I find the internet dull: really, seriously, overwhelmingly dull. I don't have to worry about getting lost in it; I have to discipline myself to use the thing, rather than logging out and doing something that actually interests me, like reading a book or playing music or practicing magic or, well, almost anything. Trimming my fingernails is more interesting than the internet.
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Date: 2019-11-04 01:50 pm (UTC)I would like to be a better leader for my family. Does the affirmation "I'm a good leader for my family" sound OK. Is this subject to the Raspberry principle, since I'm wanting to lead other people. My intention is for my immediate family and I think it's just fulfilling my duties. Many heartfelt thanks for your generosity.
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Date: 2019-11-04 11:44 pm (UTC)Mystic, Mage, and a Third Way
Date: 2019-11-04 02:32 pm (UTC)I seem to be leaning into a shamanic path, which scares the shale out of me, and cannot be pursued for years in my present situation, as a mother of younger kids. But the presence of spirit in all things keeps "yelling" at me to do something, anything, with this incarnation. Any suggestions or advice?
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Date: 2019-11-04 02:49 pm (UTC)Okay. It's embarrassing, I don't want to admit it because it likes going unnoticed, but I should probably drag it into the light.
I was a nerdy kid with a dysfunctional family and escaped hard in the "knowledge is power" direction. A few years after moving on to a dysfunctional world, I discovered occultism, and the appeal of a whole new area of study and experimentation that was separate from the world I knew but that still held out the promise of truth can hardly be understated. To the point, unfortunately, that I suspect I've been neglecting my material affairs in favor of the same sort of hungry, escapist research that has always called to me.
How do I bring these into balance? I'm sure it's not the first time someone's done this. Clearly there's too much reading, but can I keep my divination going, or banishing, or should I scale back to prayer? Or drop all of it and look it in the face that the people in my environment are almost entirely concerned with how many sandwiches they can get for a dollar and it's going to be a long, trying, materially focused process to get to somewhere better? Currently I'm yo-yoing about, getting drawn back in over and over, which seems the worst of both worlds.
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Date: 2019-11-04 11:52 pm (UTC)That probably means you're going to be poor for a while. (I certainly was.) It also means that people who aren't on the bus, magically speaking, are going to look at you with some degree of pity or contempt. (I went through plenty of this.) This is normal. Mages have had to put up with it since the temples of Egypt closed their doors. The secret is that if you manage to strike a working balance between magic and life in the world, you'll find unexpected possibilities opening up. In my case, it was a writing career; other people find other niches, but there's always a way.
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Date: 2019-11-04 02:54 pm (UTC)If it's easier to do things beginning with re-, like rewrite, revisit, etc., then as a writer and a musician who had scheduled recording time (vocals especially) during this period, would it also work to crank out a quick first draft or first take even if it's a grind, then turn right around and redo it? Or does the clarity benefit only apply to things you lay down before the retrograde? I plan to run the experiment, just wondering what your experience was.
And a spirit question:
I recently camped with friends at a spooky old mine in the backcountry. All three had nightmares, and my friend who shared the same tent as me even described a ghost woman unzipping the tent to harass her, and said I was in the dream and advised her to just ignore the ghosts until they go away, that they just thrived on fear (which is about what i would have said if she had asked me). But she didn't and there was a whole vivid sequence involving ghosts, the mine, etc. that sounded like she was being harassed by rude spirits, same as the other two friends.
I did not get harassed, and in fact fell asleep better than at home. Is it possible they avoided me due to 4+ years of banishing rituals? Is there some way in which I may have astrally advised my friend without realizing it?
In retrospect the only weird thing I recall is that several times on the border of sleep my eyelids turned to a field of stars though I was awake and fully aware, which I associated with the Great Bear. I said hi to him earlier looking at the north star region, and had good relations with him during pathworkings involving earth. I suppose it's possible he was letting me (and others) know that he had my back?
Thanks!
Kyle
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Date: 2019-11-04 11:56 pm (UTC)2) That's quite normal. Regular practice of banishing rituals charges your aura, and hostile spirits run like rabbits from the charge. I've known people who practiced magic for many years who could clear a creepy space just by walking into it. (And yes, you may well have gotten a nod from the Bear...)
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Date: 2019-11-04 03:58 pm (UTC)It is raining here, and drying it hanged in the line my take a few days. So I thought of three temporary options:
1. Use white paper sheets (printed in one side, with my resume, and flipped over, the only ones I have) to cover the altar for CGD, to make a replacement cover. It is carbon, after all (and also not silk nor linen);
2. Perform the rituals without covering the table, that is faux-stone-with-black-spots colored;
3. Skip the practice until my cloth dries.
Or perhaps I could do something else?
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Date: 2019-11-04 11:57 pm (UTC)Just leave the table uncovered for a few days. The altar cloth's useful but not necessary.
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Date: 2019-11-05 12:03 am (UTC)Discursive meditation on images
Date: 2019-11-04 04:14 pm (UTC)When doing discursive meditation on images, is it bad practice to peek back at the image? I've been doing discursive meditation on the Thoth tarot, but my visual memory isn't that great, and I do a lot of pre-processing before starting to memorize what is where. I wonder whether that's how to do it plus repeat or if I'm making things unnecessarily hard by not looking while I meditate.
Happy Monday!
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Date: 2019-11-04 04:19 pm (UTC)You have written previously about the contemporary lack of a proper understanding of ethics. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you wrote that ethics is essentially understanding what has worked best through time in terms of life choices and their effects on other people. As opposed to what people nowadays term morals - that one's choices should be governed by what one should or should not do, based in part in ideas of good versus evil which come from up high, etc.
After a half-year of being unemployed, I was offered a job in the online gambling industry, which I chose to take, and I have worked in that industry for the past year or so. I struggled greatly with the decision to take the job, and still struggle daily with working there. Obviously the job has enormous practical benefits, considering the amount of money the company makes, but my growing magical practice in Druidry has made my struggles with working there even more acute.
However, I can't yet place my ethical queasiness in context. I'm wondering if you have a more useful way to frame the issue other than the one I used to justify my decision to take (and remain in) the job:
- The main problem is that the gambling industry in general does its best to encourage people, using game theory among other things, to part people with their money, thus the industry is greatly profitable and heavily regulated. That said, about 5% of gamblers have problems with addiction, and I'm sure a greater number of people spend more than what they feel they should have spent when they gamble. Being in the industry and seeing how it is structured has shown me some of the tactics the industry uses to part people from their money. But it appears that the majority of gamblers do it in a proportionate manner, and for them it becomes a kind of entertainment done occasionally. There is an analogy to be drawn with other industries, such as the alcohol industry, in which the majority of people who consume alcohol do so in moderation.
- But there's the categorical imperative argument (which I hope I don't mangle too badly, I'm not that well-read when it comes to Kant) that says in terms of the gambling situation that if even one person is badly affected by gambling addiction, than it therefore not moral to work in an industry which causes such harm.
- But then again, at some point it perhaps comes down to conscious choice. Which a bit related to some topics which have come up for me in Druidry, that in some sense Fire/will is at play here: one makes a conscious choice to drink a beer or spend money on online poker, and thus one cannot stop an industry from providing those things as long as there are ways of dealing with those who are addicted in a responsible manner (regulations?).
- But this still doesn't account for the categorical imperative argument. I once tried to outline all the above reasoning to a friend, who replied 'tell all that to the child of someone who has spent all their money on gambling' and I failed to come up with an effective rebuttal.
- Then there is the argument which I am becoming more aware of: of karma. Humans it appears cannot avoid doing harm to the environment around them, but I admire the approach in Druidry and other spiritual traditions of minimizing that harm. Which sort of relates to learning to understand the effects of one's choices on others, and to be willing to accept the karmic consequences of them. In that argument, I should not work in such a job, and find a job in which I am causing as little harm as possible to others and nature.
Am I missing something here in my thinking? I'm not asking for justification of my choices, but whether I am thinking clearly about the issue.
For the record, I intend on leaving that job whenever my spouse's own job situation stabilizes.
Thanks very much for any advice!
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Date: 2019-11-05 12:24 am (UTC)Gambling is a form of entertainment. Like every form of entertainment from bowling through live theater to orgiastic sex, it is harmless or even beneficial for the vast majority of participants and harmful to a few. It would be worthwhile for you, and others involved in that industry, to support organizations that help people with gambling problems and offer assistance to their families; if the company you work for doesn't support some such organization, see if you can encourage its executives to consider that -- it's a tax writeoff for them, not to mention good publicity. Beyond that, though, I don't see a problem. If you work on a boat that does harbor tours, it's your duty to make sure the passengers know where the life jackets are and to help them out in the event of trouble, but it's not unethical for you to work on the boat just because there's a risk that someone might drown.
And I say all this, by the way, as someone who has zero interest in gambling.
even Cosmo does it
Date: 2019-11-04 04:39 pm (UTC)I casually picked up a copy of Cosmopolitan magazine to while away the time waiting in line at the grocery store yesterday, and what do I see but an astrological analysis of the Democratic presidential candidates' charts for 2020! Summary: the only one with any astro mojo is Elizabeth Warren. Bernie has a series of unfortunate Mercury aspects this year, Kamala Harris has a run-in with Saturn in a bad place and Biden's is, well, unremarkable. Political astrology is catching on....
-Ms. Krieger
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Date: 2019-11-04 04:57 pm (UTC)This has convinced me I need to cut back. My plan is to gradually wean myself off of it, starting by establishing a morning routine without it, and then an evening one, and slowly cut down on it until such time as I'm free of it completely.
Getting hobbies is key; meditation and banishing rituals are also important; and I suspect that by making myself start and end the day offline, it'll help me define myself as someone who doesn't use the internet, making it easier to cut down further. Are there other things I'm missing that could help?
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