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walking toward sunsetThe corporate media, demonstrating once again that it has the attention span and cognitive capacity of a hyperactive squirrel on bad acid, has now pivoted away from Covid and is finding a new set of temporary obsessions.  Despite this, the semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a steady stream of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as government officials scramble around like a cat trying to bury its droppings on a vinyl floor, and the unvaccinated wonder why so many vaccinated people have oddly puffy faces these days, the floor is open for discussion.   

Re: this are all the gets from previous posts

Date: 2022-03-10 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hearthspirit
Okay, so you can help me out, maybe, because it's been bothering me for ages - why is Joe DiMaggio in Mrs Robinson? What pop culture reference of the day am I missing?

I already knew it was for Eleanor Roosevelt, who was extremely cool:

"During the filming of the 1967 film The Graduate, director Mike Nichols, who had become a fan of Simon & Garfunkel’s work, asked for permission to use their music in the soundtrack, and for them to write a new song. Originally, they pitched “Punky’s Dilemma” and “Overs”, but after Nichols rejected them, they showed him what became “Mrs. Robinson”.

“Mrs. Robinson” was originally titled, “Mrs. Roosevelt.” The song and had absolutely nothing to do with the plot of The Graduate. When director Mike Nichols said he needed another song for his movie, Paul Simon told him that they were too busy touring and that he only had “a song about times past, about Mrs. Roosevelt and Joe DiMaggio and stuff,” but it wasn’t finished yet. It was originally a tribute to Eleanor Roosevelt and the passing of an era; a more innocent era to be exact.

When Nichols realized “Mrs. Roosevelt” had the same number of syllables as “Mrs. Robinson”, he asked Simon to change the title and the song “Mrs. Robinson” was born."

(Also that the song wasn't finished when they took it, which is why it just starts with a bunch of nonsense).

I've just guessed it had something to do with Marilyn Monroe. That was way better than any baseball... except the part where she ODed.

Re: this are all the gets from previous posts

Date: 2022-03-11 06:14 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
not 100% sure i can help on this, but:

"Paul Simon remembers walking into a restaurant, where he's introduced to Joe DiMaggio, and "we immediately fell into conversation about the only subject we had in common."
"What I don't understand," DiMaggio said, "is why you ask where I've gone. I just did a Mr. Coffee commercial, I'm a spokesman for the Bowery Savings Bank and I haven't gone anywhere!"

I've always wondered about that. But it turns out Paul Simon finally explained his lyrics about Joe DiMaggio from the song "Mrs. Robinson" - in a 1999 article he wrote the day Joe DiMaggio died.


I said that I didn't mean the lines literally, that I thought of him as an American hero and that genuine heroes were in short supply. He accepted the explanation and thanked me. We shook hands and said good night.
Now, in the shadow of his passing, I find myself wondering about that explanation. Yes, he was a cultural icon, a hero if you will, but not of my generation. He belonged to my father's youth: he was a World War II guy whose career began in the days of Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig and ended with the arrival of the youthful Mickey Mantle..."

http://destinyland.net/Joe_DiMaggio_vs_Paul_Simon_and_Garfunkel.htm



i got to meet joe at a baseball card convention when i was a kid. i got his autograph on an index card, as i couldn't afford one of his baseball cards when i was not even a teenager yet. about the time i was the 4th or 5th person in line, i could feel the aura of dignity he exuded.

mickey mantle and joe dimaggio are off by one syllable, which would affect the cadence of the lyrics, but i will go with simon's reasoning. joe was an american hero, mickey could have been one if it wasn't for the partying and bad knees.

and, i'm not 100% sure about this either, but joltin' joe might have turned the tide on the average american's acceptance of italian immigrants, especially in the big apple. they were not exactly accepted in earlier decades if i recall correctly.

as to marylin, he had roses delivered to her resting place until he died, never said a bad word about her that i know of and never married again. i think he was an innocent soul. if i were joe dimaggio back in the day, i would never have thought of marylin as anything but a temporary thing, joe d obviously thought something else. all in all, he seems like a poster child for a proper celebrity. especially what we get nowadays.

hope this helps?

- p coyle

Re: this are all the gets from previous posts

Date: 2022-03-11 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hearthspirit
That helps enormously, thank you for that story!
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