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Heathen Soul LoreA slightly late Yule treat for my Heathen readers... 

For a while now I've been corresponding with Winifred Hodge Rose, a Heathen priestess, scholar, and spaewife who's put a monumental amount of work into the traditional Heathen concepts of the multiple souls. (You can find many of her writings on the subject online at heathensoullore.net.) Her first published book on the subject, Heathen Soul Lore Foundations, is now in print. It's comprehensive, thoroughly documented, illustrated, and surprisingly readable; as a sympathetic outsider to Heathenry with only a modest background in the original sources, I found it relatively easy going. 

Interested? You can find links to the various formats, from ebook to color-illustrated hardback, here. (Scroll down a bit to the links.)

Thanks!

Date: 2021-12-23 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh. My. Goodness! Thanks for broadening this Heathen’s horizons yet again, JMG.

OtterGirl

PS: You suggested over the years that the study of language, including “extinct” language, provides perspectives on a culture unavailable otherwise. I started lightly studying Old Norse several weeks ago, and while fluent is not on my radar, it seems just getting a sense of the grammar and building my vocabulary is opening doors, ever so slightly, that would remain closed otherwise.

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Date: 2021-12-23 07:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hwistle
Hmmm, very interesting! I first came upon the Germanic multiple souls in the writings of Claude Lecouteux, though he and subsequent writers tended to speak of a three/four soul complex not nine like, it looks, this author talks about (One soul for each of the Nine worlds perhaps?) Definitely going in my 'To Buy' list, thanks for posting it

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Date: 2021-12-23 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
A quick scan and ... dang I really need more lifetimes for exploration!

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Date: 2021-12-23 11:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gullindagan
Nice, thanks for this!

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Date: 2021-12-24 01:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] illyria2001
I just started reading this book earlier this week and I absolutely love it!

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Date: 2021-12-24 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] brenainn
I've been wanting to explore the possibility that we have more than one soul or spiritual aspect that survives death. This looks like it'll make a decent introduction to the idea. Thanks!

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Date: 2021-12-24 03:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jprussell
Apologies if this is a re-post, my previous attempt isn't showing up as a "screened comment" for me. If this is a duplicate, please delete.

What wonderful news this is, thank you so much for sharing! I can't wait to dive into this in more detail (though it may have to wait until after my reading challenge for the comming year).

For any interested readers who didn't already know, [personal profile] gullindagan above wrote a post back in September that touches on these ideas, comparing the Heathen conception of a multi-part soul with the traditional occultist view of subtle bodies and planes: https://gullindagan.dreamwidth.org/2998.html

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Date: 2021-12-24 01:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] illyria2001
Thank you so much for linking this!

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Date: 2021-12-24 07:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jprussell
Of course! He's been posting some great stuff and has pointed me to a lot of really helpful sources. I'm not currently working through the Heathen Golden Dawn material he took the lead on developing after Sven had to set it aside, but I follow the progress on it with great interest.

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Date: 2021-12-25 01:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gullindagan
Thanks for the kind words! I'm going to have to revise that essay after digesting Winifred's work, I also read something today by Gareth Knight on the Egyptians 9 souls that might need going over again after reading this.

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Date: 2021-12-24 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
What a delightful treat! As I've been trying to make sense out of the larger cosmology and our incredibly complex place within it, each distinct system of lore I've encountered has helped to illuminate some aspect of my own experience of the unseen world. That intricacy of the soul has reflections in every system — the planes, the chakras, the demons, the gods, etc. But this is the first I've heard of a mythology that posits multiple souls in as complex an arrangement as I experience them myself.

Must be time to start paying a little more attention to those Germanic gods. I guess I've been flailing about as blindly as Hoder up to this point (I hope I didn't kill anybody important!) Hopefully, this will be just the braille map I've been fumbling around for. It's certainly going to be an awfully interesting read. Many thanks for the heads up!

— Christophe

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Date: 2021-12-24 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Very interesting - thanks for the Yuletide treat, JMG.

I've only just started reading through the introduction on the website, but am I correct in my understanding so far that what we typically refer to on here as the bodies of the etheric, astral and mental planes all effectively each have their own soul, and the human entity on the meat plane is the amalgalm of the lot of them at one point in time?

Also, I think I have been reading too much Discordianism literature lately, as I initially read the author's name as "Winifred Hodge Podge"...

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Date: 2021-12-31 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
An interesting approach to combining Heathen Soul Lore with other esoteric structures and paths of spirituality, would be (1) getting to know your souls according to the Heathen soul lore concepts, and then (2) "walking" each of those souls along another esoteric path like the Tree of Life, and / or (3) training one or more of those souls in a specific magical path.

To me, this approach would be more consistent with the natures of these souls, than 'stationing' the various souls on the Tree of Life or other esoteric structure, which would require (in my opinion) a lot of trimming and tucking of the soul-persons, and thus diminish their individuality and uniqueness within each of us.

Winifred Hodge Rose

Heathen Soul Lore Foundations

Date: 2021-12-25 02:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
From Winifred Hodge Rose

(....Several hours after reading this, I am still giggling about Winifred Hodge Podge! If I ever sign up for a Discordian discussion group, which is unlikely, I'll have to state that as my user name.)

Thank you all for your kind comments! I'd like to address one thread: the question of how Heathen soul lore as I understand it fits in with other esoteric ideas about the levels of being, energy bodies, and the like. It's a meaningful and interesting question, but it's one that I am deliberately not pursuing in any depth, though obviously anyone can, who wants to.

My approach, from the beginning, has been driven by the wish to understand, as well as possible, how elder Heathens perceived the soul(s). Modern culture is so influenced by the Mediterranean and Middle Eastern religious and esoteric philosophies and viewpoints, that it's quite difficult to step outside that mind-realm and be truly open to esoteric understandings that bear very little relation to those roots. I have had to steep and immerse myself in Germanic languages, history, literature, cultural traces, spiritual practices, for the past three decades, to try to follow the route I set for myself.

For this enterprise, I have felt it necessary to stay away from most efforts to interpret my findings according to modern esoteric theories, though I have made an exception when it comes to applying some basic alchemical perspectives. I view the souls as true persons, individual beings, who form a household within us and together sing our sense of Self, in this lifetime, into being.

For me, personally, it feels like a mistake to try to force-fit these soul-beings into some other structure or system of esoteric categories: it distorts and diminishes the wholeness and complexity of each of the souls, and downplays their personality and individuality. But I do understand the urge others might have, to try to do so, if their main focus is on other ways of perceiving and structuring understandings of the souls, and they want to use Heathen soul lore to reinforce those structures.

That isn't my project; my own path lies in understanding Heathenism on its own terms, within its own cultures and languages, as well as I am able. But I agree that these other questions about how Heathen ideas of the souls (and mine are not the only Heathen ideas; there are other different ones out there) fit into other conceptual structures are interesting and meaningful!

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Date: 2021-12-25 10:52 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] marcrhodestaylor
thank you john this looks most interesting

color?

Date: 2021-12-26 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] barefootwisdom
For anyone who's already purchased this: Is there any major advantage to the color versions, over the black-and-white?

Thanks!

Re: color?

Date: 2021-12-27 12:43 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] barefootwisdom
Thank you, that's helpful!

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