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wheels came offFor a good fraction of the last four years I've been posting things here on my Dreamwidth journal talking about the problems with the political magic being practiced in America these days. Most of that discussion has been focused on the soi-disant Magic Resistance, because they did me -- and of course their opponents as well -- the favor of publishing their ritual workings in detail so that those could be analyzed for flaws.

Still, one of the things I've pointed out repeatedly applies to both sides. Effective political magic focuses on blessing and strengthening, not cursing and destroying. Dion Fortune, in her War Letters, made this point with great force: 

"I received a letter from a French correspondent last week, urging that we should use our knowledge and power to make personal attacks on the leaders of the German nation, in order to confuse their minds and even destroy their lives; but this would be quite the wrong way to work. Nothing and nobody is altogether evil, therefore it is never justifiable to try and destroy any person or thing by direct [magical] action, but only to open a channel whereby spiritual forces are brought to bear on the problem. [...] Hate is an evil thing in itself, whatever its provocation, and to call it righteous indignation does little to improve it. 

"Our work is a work of healing, and no hate must come of it. We look to see a regenerated Germany rise up in strength and greatness as well as goodwill and peace.  On this great earth of ours there is room for all if they will only co-operate. All the time we are working for a successful issue of the war, we must look forward to a happy peace of constructive comradeship. This thought should conclude every meditation." (The Magical Battle of Britain, pp. 10-11)

Yes, I know it's fashionable to dismiss such reflections as namby-pamby, goody-two-shoes, pie-in-the-sky nonsense, but two points are worth making in this context. The first is to point out which side won the Second World War. The Nazi Party had its own organization of occultists, the Ahnenerbe, working rituals at the SS center at Wewelsburg while Fortune and other British occultists were working theirs, and all you have to do is see how the war went to figure out which side consistently made the right choices at the right moments, and which side consistently tripped over their own jackboots. 

The second point I'd bring up is the outcome of the 2020 US election. That can be summed up quite simply: both sides lost. The Democrats hoped (and the Magic Resistance did workings) for a blue wave, the Republicans hoped (and alt-right magicians did workings) for a red wave, and neither side got what they wanted.  Liberal pundits such as Politico's Jake Sherman are calling the results a disaster for the Democrats, but it certainly wasn't a triumph for the Republicans. What's more, whoever ends up being inaugurated as president in January, once the smoke and dust of lawsuits settles, will have no mandate and will be considered illegitimate by half the population of the United States. 

My guess is that what happened is that the Magic Resistance, with a few loudmouthed exceptions, got a clue from their previous failures and kept their workings secret so that they couldn't be monkeywrenched by the other side; the mages of the alt-right, of course, never had that problem; both did workings that focused on making the other guy lose rather than bringing positive spiritual energies to bear on their own side and on the United States -- and both sides got their wish. Now, for at least two years, we've got a Congress in stalemate, a crippled presidency, and an angry, troubled, bitterly divided nation to deal with. No, this isn't what I expected, and I'm in good company there -- apparently nobody predicted the outcome we got. That's one of the reasons why I think mishandled magic might have been involved. 

In the longer term, of course, victory will come to whichever side figures out that the cheap pleasures of hating the other side aren't worth the cost to their cause and their country, and can genuinely and with whole hearts turn their energies to healing the chasms that divide this country just now. It's possible, of course, that neither side will do so -- in which case both sides will keep on losing in every sense that matters. 

Re: Numbers

Date: 2020-11-07 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
OP here
States at play stopped counting during the day but new results ( always overturning Trump's lead) show overnight.

Now press declares Trump winner. Next Twitter suspends his account. Every press outlet will be drumming now he's a dictator who disregards democracy. Needs to be removed. While his legal challenges go unnoticed. Some insouciant GOP sentors will go along with these calls. These are really dark times. If anyone cares probably best to pray for justice.

Btw, here in OR the governor announced second lockdown yesterday. We had 716 covid deaths total ( total state wide deaths in 2017 26k) Our schools never reopened since March. Now they will stay shut for sure.

Re: Numbers

Date: 2020-11-08 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] robertmathiesen
For whatever it may be worth, almost all of my friends and acquaintances are very strong Biden partisans, and nearly every one of them mailed in their ballot, or dropped it off in an authorized dropbox, far ahead of voting day. This was partly out of a lurking fear of COVID exposire at the polling places, but partly also out of another lurking fear: namely, that armed Trump supporters would show up at most of the polling places in liberal neighborhoods to disrupt the election and kill the liberal voters. So of course their early votes were counted at the very end of the process. And so it stands to reason that (in my neighborhoods, at least) the late vote counts would tip the earlier results towards Biden in a striking manner.

If this pattern of voting generally held true elsewhere, then of course the late vote-counts of the mailed-in and dropped-off ballots would tip things strongly toward Biden in those places, too. No need for conspiracy or fraud to account for the shift. (Not that fraud doesn't occur--it does, but it is committed more or less evenly on both sides of the political aisle, and always has been.)

So why assume conspiracies when sheer stupidity and the situation itself adequately accounts for the data. People, even the brightest of us (me too), are generally a fairly stupid and dense bunch of hairless kinfolk to chimpanzees.

Re: Numbers

Date: 2020-11-08 05:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
They were honestly afraid of Trump fans? Or were they just kidding?

—Lady Cutekitten

Re: Numbers

Date: 2020-11-08 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] phillipwats
My family is very much in the anti-Trump camp, and were genuinely terrified of Trump supporters showing up to try to stop people from voting....

Re: Numbers

Date: 2020-11-08 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] robertmathiesen
Honestly afraid ...

Re: Numbers

Date: 2020-11-09 01:36 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Very afraid. For example, I have a very leftist friend who just moved into her fancy, new little retirement home in the country. She is now terrified of the guys driving their big pickups with flags hanging off the back. My suggestions was just to smile and give them a friendly wave. She thinks they'll run her Prius off the road. I told her not if you don't drive like a typical Prius driver with their heads up their behinds. She is afraid of all of the target practice shooting she hears on surrounding farms. I asked her what did she expect? I told her that rich retired yuppies moving into the country, driving up land prices so that people whose families have lived there for generations can't afford to buy farmland near those families is a type of rural gentrification. Her answer was, "but, but there is always change." Mine was - you chose this, now you learn to deal with it. If she hadn't spent so much building her perfect house, I would expect her to move. This is a long comment, but I know many many left leaning people who expected to be a victim of violence by Trump supporters if they went to the polls. Maybe even shot at. I voted early because it was convenient, I did not vote for Trump, but would have been at ease if he won. I understand why people chose Trump and have friends who voted for him in 2016. I don't know how they voted this year, because they were so obviously staying quiet about the whole politics thing. I don't blame them.

Re: Numbers

Date: 2020-11-09 03:32 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
They may have been honestly afraid but it is propaganda that is the cause. In all this time the violence and intimidation have come almost entirely from the left. The media filled people with fear for 4 years and none of it bore out. If Trump were the dictator they claimed he would not have had a media that is 92% negative in their coverage toward him. Obviously, there was no intimidation at the polling places. How many times will these people respond to the same defamation? The gloves will come off now I think. For 4 years conservatives have been intimidated into silence, but now that the election was stolen in broad daylight, I think Trump supporters are sufficiently irritated that they will no longer cower under the relentless barrage of slander.
Something absolutely must be done to restore people's faith in our elections or there is no more reason to vote at all.
That it has been done so openly and blatantly is a puzzle. I do not know what to make of it. The people of this country were openly treated with contempt.

Re: Numbers

Date: 2020-11-08 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I know plenty of Republicans who voted by mail, beacuse they were afraid of Covid.

I'm talking about thousands of votes turning up overnight in WI and MI and they were 100% for Biden, not a single one for any other candidates. Sure it's possible but hardly probable. Overturning a trend of 7% lead for Trump. And WI has an almost 90% voter participation this year while historically hovering around upper sixties.
Conspiracy comes also to mind as there is no way to discuss this openly in any MSM or social media. This blog plus select fringe few are the only ones allowing comments questioning the election outcome. Other places they are flagged or taken down for "misinformation". OR largest newpaper doesn't even allow reader's comments anymore. They only publish one reader's letter a day, chosen by editor of course.

Re: Numbers

Date: 2020-11-09 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] robertmathiesen
I don't mean this as a hostile question, but I'm genuinely curious: How do you know about these "thousands of votes turning up overnight in WI and MI and they were 100% for Biden, not a single one for any other candidates"? What are your sources, and how do you independently estimate their reliability?

Re: Numbers

Date: 2020-11-09 05:56 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
What are your sources, and how do you independently estimate their reliability?

I did lay out my independent estimate of the reliability of the official election results in several comments above. I do not have any way to confirm the accuracy of any sources. Do you have a reliable way to confirm the truthfulness of your sources?

Re: Numbers

Date: 2020-11-09 08:44 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] robertmathiesen
Since you are anonymous, I have no way to know which of several previous posts citing online statements come from your keyboard, and which from the keyboards of others.

As for me, since I have no way to confirm, or to deny, any of these claims of fraud, I remain agnostic as to all specifics.
Generally speaking, of course frauds were committed. Fraud, like injustice, exploitation arnd violence, is hard-wired into the human nervous system.

But if anything seems certain to me, it is that organized campaigns of fraud were carried out by supporters of Biden and by supporters of Trump alike, and in roughly equal measure. Individual voters may have clean hands, but the elctorate (taken as a whole) never ever has clean hands, nor do many people really want honest elections. They want to win, and sizeable numbers of people are quite happy to cheat to win. For some, their win is even more delicious if if the been gained by cheating.

Re: Numbers

Date: 2020-11-09 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Not the OP, but Nate Silver tweeted about one in Pennsylvania.

Re: Numbers

Date: 2020-11-09 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] robertmathiesen
I went all the way back to Nov. 3 in Nate Silver's twitter feed, but couldn't find the tweet you mentioned. Can you give me a link?
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