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Hell freezes overYeah, it must have happened. Rhyd Wildermuth just wrote something I agree with. 

Longtime readers of mine will recall Mr. Wildermuth as the instigator of an attempted witch hunt against nonconformist groups within the Pagan community -- "nonconformist" here meaning both not conforming to eclectic American Neopagan orthodoxy, and not conforming to his personal ambitions as a Marxist agitator hoping to pursue some good old-fashioned entryism in the Neopagan scene. I'm pleased to say that his crusade didn't get far. I doubt my critique had much to do with that -- the people who read my writings are unlikely to pay much attention to his, and vice versa -- but the attempt to whip up a frenzy about sinister New Right infiltrators in our midst seems to have fallen flat. (My guess is that most of the people who were backing the witch hunt found something else to be upset about the moment Donald Trump won the 2016 election.)

But Wildermuth made his way back onto Pagan newsfeeds the other day by way of a fine thumping tirade directed at the social justice movement's insistence that all white men everywhere are evil, full stop, end of sentence, and ought to be exterminated for the benefit of everyone else. Inevitably, in the topsy-turvy world of social justice activism, Wildermuth's refusal to support the rhetoric of genocide immediately got him labeled a fascist -- a claim to which he responded with another solid diatribe. His sin, of course, was that he pointed out that it's just as preposterous to insist that every individual white male human being is personally responsible for all the evils in the world as it would be to insist, say, that every individual Jew is personally responsible for all the evils in the world. 

Wildermuth being Wildermuth, of course he phrased his critique in the theological jargon of Marxism; since that's his religion -- if I recall correctly, the guy literally has a picture of Marx on his altar as an intellectual and spiritual ancestor -- I have no quibbles with that, though it's not a jargon or a faith I find particularly appealing. Still, if he's going to be a Marxist, I hope he goes whole hog and takes in some of the very thoroughly developed Marxist critique of bourgeois moral crusades as a common hegemonic strategy in late capitalism. Along these lines, it wouldn't be too hard to show that the social justice movement functions exactly the same way the Methodist movement did in 19th century Britain: it provided a vehicle by which bourgeois interests excused and justified their treatment of the proletariat by insisting on the moral viciousness of the latter, and urging the working classes to reform themselves by conforming to bourgeois standards (and, not accidentally, supporting bougeois hegemony). 

There's a good reason, after all, why by and large the social justice movement is willing to discuss every form of privilege imaginable except class privilege. Now that that's being pointed out -- and Wildermuth is only one of the voices pointing it out, though he seems to have made more of an impact than most -- it'll be entertaining to see the fur fly. 

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Date: 2018-12-29 02:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ritaer
He mentions Methodism, although he apparently doesn't know that it isn't Calvinist. But the details of Christian theology and church organization are often ignored by opponents.

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Date: 2018-12-29 03:53 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Do you suppose that now wildermuth will have a witch hunt against himself?

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Date: 2018-12-29 11:13 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
There comes a time in every far-left radical's life when he's no longer far left or radical enough. Rhyd has reached that point when openly advocating genocide against a group of which he is part became compulsory. Hopefully the transition is painful enough that he starts listening to people outside the left.

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Date: 2018-12-29 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ill_made_knight
yeah, lol that's pretty old in internet time at least. it's pretty funny tho. It's similar to what got me banned from those circles years ago, back before that 'witchhunt' of his. That was pretty funny too, since I am an initiate of one of the orders of witchcraft he listed as insulated against entryism.
no wonder he hightailed it to Brittany

not surprising

Date: 2018-12-29 04:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dfr1973
I'm really not surprised, as you two are both natural-born white males (and I presume he is also of the hetero- variety since he isn't waving the queer flag). As the mother of a straight white male, I figured it would only be a matter of time before encountering that attitude that 4chan so brilliantly skewered when they did the "It's okay to be white" campaign.

contridictions

Date: 2018-12-29 05:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ritaer
It is interesting that people in the confrontation Wildermuth described, who probably agree that race and gender are social constructs, suddenly forget that theory when they want to attack a white person or a male person.

A more extensive and personal analysis of the use of poor, white, rural people as the symbol of everything wrong with America can be found in "The Redneck Manifesto: How Hill-billies, Hicks and White Trash Became America's Scapegoats" by Jim Goad. The author has a website and numerous other publications. I don't vouch for the veracity of his claims, but it is worth exposure to a "white" point of view not represented in academia or what passes for radical politics.

Rita

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Date: 2018-12-29 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Actually, people within the social justice movement talk about class privilege a lot. One can confirm this by putting 'social justice class privilege' in a search engine of your choice. Maybe you disagree with the way the social justice movement tends to discuss class privilege, but the claim that they don't discuss it is false.

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Date: 2018-12-30 12:24 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Glad to see that people who used to be inside the social justice bubble are beginning to realize that it's full of "busy, uncharitable, self-lauding people", to slightly misquote Anthony Trollope's comments about the Church of England in the 1850s. (He said "busy, uncharitable, self-lauding men", speaking of a new crop of evangelically-inclined ministers.) Now maybe we can go back to people who really want social justice and are willing to do something other than virtually beat people to death in the internet to achieve it.

Yes, I know, this is uber-obvious

Date: 2018-12-30 12:47 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I know this is basic, but perhaps Rhys should also read what Marx wrote about religion? Or, better yet, study what Communist regimes have (in 9 cases out of 10) done about religion...? :D

Joyous Tide

Date: 2018-12-30 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
What was the old saying? The Revolution is devouring its own children? Those who live by the sword, die by the sword? One of the ironic things to me is how the Left has become so entirely ultra-conservative, now they have the reins of power and influence. Perhaps it has something to do with the genesis time of the 1960s: with 50% of the country solidly middle class, arguably, and over half of that part "radical", the biases and blind spots of that bunch was built into the cake? So they literally can't see Peak Oil, class prejudice, authentic rural American culture, etc., etc. It's like they are frozen in time, during the 50s and 60s, as if it is Dreamtime.
(Argus & Phoenix)

I haven't encountered these people

Date: 2018-12-30 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have never seen anyone suggest that all white males (!) be exterminated. I don't doubt that there are a few gibbering haters out there saying so - after all, there is a society dedicated to the idea that all girls should be raped by the age of eight. However, apparently they only spout their ranting in their own little echo chambers so that I don't encounter it as I do, say, those who want to eradicate Muslims or gays or blacks, so I don't perceive it as a real threat to society.

Anyway, how on earth do these loonies imagine such mass murder might be done? The key to successful dehumanization of scapegoat groups is to start with groups that are weak or very few in number, so that they can't fight back effectively. That hardly applies to white men.

-Dewey

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