Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 36
Apr. 12th, 2022 01:02 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
The pandemic has been scrubbed from the front pages at this point and replaced by a different hysteria du jour, but the semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a steady stream of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, as the vaccinated keep catching Covid (and many of them never quite seem to get over it) while the rest of us are fine, the floor is open for discussion.
Re: Improved diagnosis - whacky blood?
Date: 2022-04-12 08:32 pm (UTC)If this is really true, the only thing I can think of is that bloodclotting is happening at a high pace in the body, but that in reasonably healthy people the body can unclot fast enough so that the body keeps functioning. And that when someone dies or gets close to dying, the unclotting looses pace and the veins start to get blocked. This would also explain the elevated D-dimer that many vax-injured report even 1 year after the shot and that gets higher when the symptoms worsen. But I don't know if this is bio-medically even possible.
Boccaccio
Re: Improved diagnosis - whacky blood?
Date: 2022-04-12 09:57 pm (UTC)I agree.
Our bodies are incredibly resilient and yet so fragile. If you have seen the subtle differences between alive and dead you know the feeling of despair: how can such a tiny difference mean so much? One moment people are breathing and thinking and the next they are just decaying matter. Once the battle is lost, it's like an avalanche of damage.
Re: Improved diagnosis - whacky blood?
Date: 2022-04-12 11:34 pm (UTC)Re: Improved diagnosis - whacky blood?
Date: 2022-04-13 05:58 am (UTC)Re: Improved diagnosis - whacky blood?
Date: 2022-04-13 12:58 am (UTC)At least in the US, those are a very common med, statins are everywhere, and until a few months ago everyone with even a glimmer of heart disease in the family was encouraged to take an asprin for the anti-clotting effects.
I know folks who were coerced to take the vaxes to access life-sustaining medical treatment, so I submit that probably the healthiest folks are also those who were able to avoid getting vaxxed most easily, thus the vaxxed should skew somewhat towards the less healthy and have a higher proportion of those already taking blood thinners among their numbers.
How many fall in each group I have no idea, just the general observation that those who don't need ongoing medical attention are better able to avoid the vaxes.
BoysMom
Re: Improved diagnosis - whacky blood?
Date: 2022-04-13 03:37 pm (UTC)good point
Re: Improved diagnosis - whacky blood?
Date: 2022-04-13 05:39 pm (UTC)Anyhow, IF the bloodclotting is indeed happening on such a large scale and IF people die because the body cannot unclot at the same pace anymore (two big if's), then the question is why the bloodclotting keeps happening for such a long time. Some long covid or vax injured people have been ill for over a year and I wonder what mechanism causes the bloodclotting to continue.
We know that spike can bind to fibronogen that play a role in the production of platelets and that this can lead to atypical and long lasting bloodclots. But that requires spike to be present in the bloodstream. And as some people have the highest value of d-dimer after a year that would mean the spike production goes on unabated. I have not een any evidence that that could happen. If spike indicators are found after some months, it is in decreasing quantities. So perhaps there is another mechanism in play like some auto-immune reaction? There is much we don't know...
Boccaccio
Re: Improved diagnosis - whacky blood?
Date: 2022-04-13 06:48 pm (UTC)https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMcibr2113694
Basically once the immune system makes antibodies, it also makes "secondary" or "anti-ideotype" antibodies that binds to the primary antibodies. Some of these will be molecular mimics of the spike protein, i.e. they will bind to the same molecules and potentially have similar adverse effects.
Secondary antibodies are not usually a big deal, but given that the genetic vax strategy involves maintaining astronomically high antibody titers (much higher than with natural infection) that could elevate the effects of secondary antibodies.
Mark L
Re: Improved diagnosis - whacky blood?
Date: 2022-04-14 04:30 pm (UTC)Is there any indication how long the scondary antibodies can stay active in the body? For sure boosting after half a year or so will generate a new set of spikes and possible clotting-problems. But for the people who backed out of the booster it might be interesting to know.
Boccaccio
Re: Improved diagnosis - whacky blood?
Date: 2022-04-13 08:55 pm (UTC)The bloodclots initiated by the spike proteine are different from the usual. They also contain alpha 2 antiplasmin which prevents the normal dissolving of a clot after it has done its job (stop bleeding). These clots also contains other elements that cause it to grow because other elements join while it's not needed. So the clot can keep growing even if there is no spike in the bloodstream anymore.
High d-dimer is actually a good sign (in this case!) as it means that the clots are (finally) dissolving. In the beginning it is possible that clotting takes place but tests won't show it as there is no elevated d-dimer yet and the usual inflammation markers are actually trapped in the clots. So one feels rotten but the tests show nothing. Only a TEG scan of the blood could diagnose the problem, but that will usually not be performed.
When the clotting continues, there are two scenario's:
- at some point the body runs out of clotting material after which bleedings can happen
- this is avoided but as the clotting continues capillaries are being blocked so organs cannot get nutrients and remove waste any more
Boccaccio