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walking up hillsThe pandemic has been scrubbed from the front pages at this point and replaced by a different hysteria du jour, but the semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a steady stream of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as the vaccinated keep catching Covid (and many of them never quite seem to get over it) while the rest of us are fine, the floor is open for discussion. 

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Date: 2022-04-12 05:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space
It's entirely possible I am mistaken but a "mosquito in a vial" seems fabricated to me. It's too perfect of an excuse. 750,000 Moderna vaccine doses in several European countries are being recalled because of this, which is something convenient to do if the the batch had been found to be more problematic than usual. The news doesn't seem to have made English media besides this below. El País and several Spanish newsites did cover it however.

https://thegaltimes.com/a-mosquito-causes-the-preventive-withdrawal-of-750000-doses-of-the-moderna-vaccine/82316/amp/

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Date: 2022-04-12 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I wonder if by "recalling" them they get a tax rebate?

So everybody saves face - the governments have ordered enough doses to inject their population many times. At the same time big pharma does not lose money or admit fault.

Alternately (and conspiratorially) they have a new "improved" fox in the pipeline (maybe HIV or bird flu) that will save us all (snark!).

If it was me designing this psyop I would get the vials back and just replace the label (from coflu to HIV) and send them back. It would just be so delicious for the psychopaths!

And that's why psychopaths get caught!!!

Date: 2022-04-13 07:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] homeopathic_meditations
As delicious as it seems to be, an operation of any size in such a big organization requires the direct involvement of dozens of people, and the tacit approval of hundreds (if not thousands). Evidently some of those people are true believers, so there's one stupid mistake worthy of being written down in the Evil Overlord List (TM).

That's why the masters of this world are sociopaths. They do not enjoy causing harm for harm's sake; they just don't care one way or another. If the action does not accomplish at least one milestone in the plan, it simply does not catch their attention.

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Date: 2022-04-13 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hummmm, I've seen that in EL País and I don't know what to think about it. It could be an excuse, yeah, but sometimes s**t happens.

-A Spaniard.

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Date: 2022-04-14 01:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space
yes, I was just doing my due diligence of sharing what I find. It seems extremely weird though, mosquitos are not involved in the manufacturing, nor are they filled in the open. Too many checks too fail without going unnoticed. Whatever the cause, it seems to me the mosquito was added later, for whatever reasons.

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Date: 2022-04-16 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] weilong
If I were investigating this sort of thing (as it was my job to do when I worked in the pharmaceutical industry), my first guess would be that bug got into the vial before it was brought to the vaccine plant, and somehow made it through the washing process. There are usually steps in place to prevent such things, but they are not perfect. If you're making several billion of something, there's bound to be some problems slipping through here and there. In sum, this sort of thing can certainly happen without any deliberate chicanery.
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