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I find myself in an odd position in today's astrological scene. Of the astrologers I know or know of, nearly all fall into one of two camps. There are the up-to-date modern astrologers, studying and practicing the psychologically oriented, choice-centered astrology launched by Dane Rudhyar in the middle years of the twentieth century and elaborated in many directions since then, and then there are the traditional astrologers, for whom anything much more recent than William Lilly is not of interest. 

Me, I've got Uranus in the first house of my natal chart, and that means the road less traveled is always my route of choice. The astrology I find most congenial is the sort of thing that was practiced between the two epochs just listed: specifically the astrology of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century occult-influenced scene. I posted a little while back about Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson, who's one of the writers I study most closely; another is the genial Llewellyn George, whose A-Z Horoscope Maker and Delineator (get one of the old editions, before it was revised by the current copyright holders) is as important to that end of astrology as Israel Regardie's The Golden Dawn is to the comparable traditions in Hermetic occultism. 

One of the many things that sets these writers apart from most of those before and after them, in turn, is that they use parallels of declination. 

(Those of my readers who aren't astrology geeks will want to skip the next paragraph.)

As seen from Earth, the sun, moon, and planets move along a belt of sky called the ecliptic, and the degrees of the zodiac are measured along the ecliptic. When two planets are conjunct in the 14th degree of Aquarius, that means that they're both at that point along the ecliptic circle. That's one set of motions that astrology tracks. The other, declination, tracks the movements of planets up and down relative to the celestial equator. (Think of ponies on a merry-go-round: they go in a circle, but they also rise and fall.) When two planets are at the same distance above or below the celestial equator, they're in what astrologers call a parallel of declination; they can both be on the same side of the equator or one can be above and one below, but if they're both (say) 14 degrees of declination from the celestial equator, they're in parallel.

(Okay, the non-geeks can come back into the room.) 

Parallels of declination have roughly the same effect, astrologically speaking, as conjunctions, but tend to be a little quieter and spread out over a longer period of time. You can use them in every kind of astrology, and in my experience they explain things that other factors don't. 

For example, looking at my chart and my wife's together, if you don't consider parallels, it's by no means obvious why we should have tumbled into a relationship within days of moving into the same student household, gotten married a couple of years later, and thirty-three years after the wedding date we're still happily married. There's some good synastry -- that's what you call relationships between two charts -- but without the parallels, it's a matter of "huh?" Look at parallels, though -- our two moons are in parallel, and her Venus and my Jupiter are parallel as well as conjunct. making for a really strong connection -- and it changes from "huh?" to "duh!"

I'm far from sure why parallels got dropped from modern astrology, and even less sure why they don't seem to have a role in traditional astrology. More research needed...

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Date: 2018-01-24 08:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] yuccaglauca
Do you happen to have an idea of what year the A. to Z Horoscope Maker was "revised?" I'm guess the ones that have "the new" before their name are the later version, but what about the 1968 version? That seems to be the most readily available version with the original title, but it is after Llewellyn George's death, so maybe that's already too late?

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Date: 2018-01-25 08:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] yuccaglauca
Thank you!

A to Z...

Date: 2018-01-28 05:05 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I started out with the A to Z in 1973. I think my edition dated to '70 or '71. It was a gift from a friend and a treasured possession, one of my first really decent astrology texts.

Unfortunately It was "borrowed" from my library and never returned, sometime about 7 years ago. I tried replacing it and discovered that the new editions are not the same.

Recently I went on a search for an older copy, and the only one I found at that time turned out to be in pretty bad shape (so much for trusting Amazon booksellers). I would give a good chunk of money to have my original edition back.

Thanks for your insights on parallels. I've been studying various orientations on astrology since 1969, and never could quite see the point, but will start looking at them more seriously.

I personally find it all endlessly fascinating, up to and including the Vedic perspective. 45 years and I find I have barely scratched the surface. Uranus also angular-- 10th house, conjunct south node and sextile moon.

surfeit of techinques

Date: 2018-01-24 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think that part of the problem is that there are just too many different techniques to master. I focus strongly on aspects, as well as the basic planets in signs and houses, but there is so much more I could look at, and never or hardly ever do: midpoints, dispositors, harmonics, decans, fixed stars, sabian symbols, asteroids - it is all a bit too much. In some ways, astrology is like divination, in that the astrologer has to interpret the chart subjectively, using whichever techniques they find useful.
The fascinating thing is that unlike a tarot spread or similar random event, the chart is an actual thing, 'scientifically' calculated independent of the astrologer.
Happy studies to you.
Christine S

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Date: 2018-01-25 12:49 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I actually enjoyed the description of parallels. It’s a matter of visualizing the celestial sphere and its various components, angular relationships, etc. Just thinking about inspires me to let my geek flag fly.

Kevin

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Date: 2018-01-25 01:35 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The first astrology book I ever purchased was Elizabeth Hickey's "Astrology: A Cosmic Science. I think it falls into this category, though I can't find the actual publication date. (Early enough that Pluto was a new development and she suggests that it might be called "Minerva.")

I'd never heard of parallels before. Any idea where they came from in the first place?

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Date: 2018-01-25 06:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wire_mother
Since I have people from several different directions pointing me toward astrology, I've decided to take up the study. I'm learning the basics from Margaret Hone's Modern Text Book of Astrology, the copy I have being the 1973 printing of the 1972 Revised edition. Unfortunately, it only lightly touches on two elements that particularly interest me: decans and the Lunar mansions. I do plan on looking at Vedic astrology too, using Levacy's Beneath a Vedic Sky.

I am definitely going to look into Llewellyn George's book. The "old" edition seems to be available in the aftermarket for very reasonable prices.

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Date: 2018-01-25 08:33 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] sebzefrog
Dear JMG and all,

I wonder if the reason why declination variations of the planets were not used in traditional astrology is because they are more difficult to measure and even more to predict accurately.

Note though that for the Moon, unless I am very wrong, declination changes have been used in ancient astrology, at least in France (Europe) for cultures: The terms "Lune montante" (rising) and "Lune descendante"(declining) are not as I long thought, references to waning or waxing, but to increasing in declination or decreasing in declination. But again, for the Moon, those moves are much easier to measure.

And yet, to hammer my point a bit more... If I go out, I can very easily know if the Moon is waxing or not and in which quarter it is. I can even quite easily find out in which constellation it is, by immediate observation. To know if it is "montante" or "descendante", I either need a finer observation tool, or to observe it over a larger time period.

That's my two cents, as I think it is said on your side of the Pond ;-)

Yours, under the fascinating and always moving skies
Seb





Fixed stars and parallels

Date: 2018-01-26 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have just been web-searching parallels (which I never heard of before) and came acros some notions about fixed stars. Maybe the use of fixed stars declined at the same time as parallels for the same reason that the kings and nobles stopped paying for astrological advice. Descartes effect, perhaps?

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Date: 2018-01-29 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
JMG, I found the following potentially helpful information on astrowiki/de (with no sources given, however):

"In the twentieth century, simplified ephemerides without declination data came into fashion both in Germany and the United states, leading to a decline in the use of declination aspects [...]." (my translation)

If this is correct, we seem to be dealing with another ephemeris-driven change, just like the preferred status of Placidus houses once they became more easily accessible than other house systems through Raphael's Ephemeris.

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