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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2025-05-06 02:55 pm

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 196

we have something for thatWe are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.


5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.


With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Re: Court case

(Anonymous) 2025-05-07 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
boccaccio— thanks for sharing this.

About clearing spike. I live in a heavily vaxxed family within a heavily vaxxed city so to help protect against shedding I started taking the nattokinase almost as soon as it became known that that could help. I noticed an immediate improvement in my mental clarity.

I tried to buy natto (for the nattokinase) but, long story short, it wasn't particularly inconvenient to buy nor to make it myself; also I dislike the taste of the natto. So for nattokinase I have been taking the Wellness Company "Spike Support." That's Dr. Peter McCullough's outfit.

***I have no interest in the Wellness Company, I'm just a customer.***

Of note, the Wellness Co has a new spike support product with 4x the natto. It's called "Ultimate Spike Detox." I have not yet tried it, but I think what's interesting is that it would seem that the Wellness Company is responding to demand with something apparently new and improved.

I'm looking at the two bottles I have. Here are the active ingredients:

(ORIGINAL) SPIKE SUPPORT
Selenium; Irish Sea Moss; Green Tea Leaf Extract; Black Seed Extract; Nattokinaise; Dandelion Root Extract

ULTIMATE SPIKE DETOX
Selenium; Tumeric Root Extract; Bromelain; Nattokinaise; Black Seed Extract; Dandelion Root Extract; Black Pepper Fruit Extract


So what's new then in the "ultimate"? Tumeric, bromelain, and the black pepper. What got "tossed" from the original formula? Irish sea moss and green tea leaf extract. I would assume then that they didn't do much.

Of course most of these ingredients would look familar to anyone who knows about traditional herbal remedies. Tumeric especially is anti-inflammatory.

For those who don't know, bromelain is an enyzme from pineapple.

One more note. As I say, I live in a heavily vaxxed city. The jabs as a subject of conversation are taboo. No one I know who took the jabs would have any interest whatsoever in taking nattokinase, never mind something so exotic (!!!) as "Spike Support" pills. (If I were to breathe the word "ivermectin" or "hydroxychloroquine" I would expect people to start fleeing, as from the werewolf... lol) But I note that the grocery store features a lot of teas and bottled drinks with tumeric as an ingredient, not something I'd seen in previous years. It's also much easier to find dandelion tea.

Nom du jour: Carnivalesque Orthogonal Gander

Re: Court case

[personal profile] boccaccio 2025-05-07 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not 100% sure of Peter McCullough. He has considerable commercial interests and sometimes seems to jump to conclusions. On the other hand, it can be helpful to share the message straight without too many details so that more people will get it.

Good that the nattokinase is working for you. Others here have reported the same. Sometimes the effect is enhanced by serrapeptase and taking it on an empty stomach and enteric coating. I keep both enzymes in my cabinet together with other oft mentioned supplements, but only take it when necessary. My main defense is simply a healthy lifestyle.

I see the same phenomenon in my country. Talking about the vaxx is simply taboo. A motion to investigate the 20-30% excess mortality in females 30-50 yrs was downvoted in parliament and only 3 out of 150 MP's came out to discuss it. For people who are aware of the ongoing devastation the gaslighting is hard to take. I regularly wonder what I could do but I don't have an answer.

The people with severe vax damage/long covid are simply wasting aware in the most horrible way imaginable. I'm not exaggerating. Their measured quality of life is at the bottom, well below for example patients with terminal cancer. Their symptoms are similar to severe ME/CFS. Among the victims and the few doctors out there who care, it starts to sink in that there is no solution and that governments are most likely to let them die.

As an example a thread that I just read on X:

Angela Griffiths DC
[profile] drangela4health
🔥QUESTION OF THE DAY: Will my body ever stop making these spike proteins?

Kelly Victory MD
[profile] drkellyvictory
Honest answer: We have NO idea. There is no "off "switch for the mRNA, and tragically, those studies were never done. We need all hands on deck to find a way to stop the production of these toxic spikes. At this point, your best option is to detoxify your body of the spike proteins being produced.

SlowlyDying (Mike)
[profile] slowlydyingmrna (The new account of Mike OMara who has been mentioned before on this forum and basically has been left to die)
That’s the real kicker, though.

There IS no way to ‘detoxify’ from the spike proteins.

All the protocols and products are scams.

I should know.
I was scammed by them, and they did nothing.

All these private clinics, these ‘vax warriors’, they can’t help the severe any more than the corrupt and inept ‘standard’ medical system.

It is a nightmare.
A worldwide mass murder.


There are quite a few cases with severe symptoms like Mike. I have been following them for years now. They usually tried everything, but nobody is getting better.
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Re: Court case / vax injuries

[personal profile] transcriberb 2025-05-08 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
Hi boccacio— Thanks for this news. It's sad— and so very strange how this all seems to be playing out in such similar ways all across the Western world.

About the injuries. Since 2021 I've transcribed a large number of English language testimonies from 2021-2023. I believe that what I've got now is broadly— very broadly— representative, however, I suspect that there may be some important bias in that many women probably do not want to discuss their bleeding disorders in a public video, young children usually don't have the wherewithal to post a video online, and neither do the very frail and/or elderly. I also suspect that more men have post-jab sudden onset prostate issues— again, not a topic many would want to discuss publicly. And finally, I also think that many strokes and also many musculo-skeletal adverse reactions (tendonitis, frozen shoulder, TMJ, muscle spasms, etc) are never reported as anything even remotely possibly connected to the jabs. But they may well be.

All that said, what I'm seeing in the videos I find online are mainly of adults (young adults - late middle age) with cardiac and neurologic injuries. (Mainly, not exclusively.) Of course I cannot transcribe every video I come across but I have transcribed as many as I have in order to give a sense of how widespread these injuries are, and also the nature of the injuries.

Indeed many state that after months, even years, nothing has improved— and some even say they've gotten worse. On the other hand, some have reported improvements, even important improvements.

The transcripts having to do with injuries are gathered here:
https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/21040.html

Of those reporting some improvements it seems to me that these are those fortunate enough to have found a neurologist who won't just gaslight them, but can diagnose them with something specific, for example, Guillain Barré, small fiber neuropathy, or chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy, and treat accordingly.

Most of the injured, however, report something like Dr. Walskog:
"I am here to tell you that if you are injured by these covid shots you will be abandoned. You will be abandoned physically, financially, and emotionally."
https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/131134.html

On a more positive note, Nurse Stephanie gave a rousing rally speech in 2022 in Perth— it seems she had some important healing:
"I got the first jab, only one, and within less than an hour I began to suffer neurological injuries as a result. These are just some of the symptoms I've suffered. I've had total left-side numbness, [inaudible] burning throughout. I've had tremors, internal vibrations, circulation problems in my hands and feet. And there are many others. We believe we have a diagnosis for me, one that needs to be confirmed by a neurologist—, tests performed by a neurologist, But so far the neurologists I've been referred to have refused to see me, saying there is nothing they can do. So I'm still dealing with these injuries to this day. I've worked hard to detox my body, learning about and implemtening natural ways of healing, consequently I am where I am today."
https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/206484.html

About the neurological injuries. For anyone who might be new here on this forum, and unfamiliar with the neurological injuries, they are so hellish, many people have committed suicide rather than endure them. You'll find some really gruesome testimonies on the above-mentioned page.

But if there is one video about the neurological injuries that I would most highly recommend, it is one that I have not yet transcribed, and it is by a neurologist:

"Virtual Rounds #23 - Dr. Suzanne Gazda on movement disorders in the vax-injured community"
REAL Stories, posted April 23, 2023
https://rumble.com/v2jybz6-virtual-rounds-23-dr.-suzanne-gazda-on-movement-disorders-in-the-vax-injure.html

RUMBLE PAGE DESCRIPTION: "Dr Suzanne Gazda discusses movement disorders and their relationship with the covid shots. Dr Suzanne Gazda, neurologist in Texas, as she presents her latest findings and perspectives in the ongoing neurologic issues faced by the vax-injured community."

Re: Court case / vax injuries

[personal profile] boccaccio 2025-05-08 11:31 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for that. The list of symptoms is near endless. I've seen people recover, both vaxxed and unvaxxed, but it took them a long time. I haven't seen anybody recover that had a severe case. They spend their days bedbound with blinders on to reduce input (overwhelmed brainstem?) and they are so low on energy that even going to the toilet will send their hart racing (mitochondial misfunction?).
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Re: Court case

[personal profile] charlieobert 2025-05-07 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
>> What got "tossed" from the original formula? Irish sea moss and green tea leaf extract. I would assume then that they didn't do much.

In my own experience, I make a point of consuming a good amount of different seaweeds daily, including irish moss in soups, and the effect on calmness and clarity of mind is profound.

We've had others on this list talk about benefits of green tea.

I suspect that turmeric and bromelain are more sexy/trendy these days, which may be part of why they were added. Irish moss just doesn't have the same bling.
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Re: Court case

[personal profile] transcriberb 2025-05-08 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
charlieobert, thanks very much for this!
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Re: Court case

[personal profile] temporaryreality 2025-05-08 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
That may be, but pineapple brought me back to function after being a gray lump for two weeks post Covid.

Re: Court case

(Anonymous) 2025-05-08 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I also find the bromelain helpful. Less fog.

Re: Court case

(Anonymous) 2025-05-10 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm betting that was the Vitamin C. During the week that my partner and I were down with the original Covid, all we could and wanted to eat was oranges. We had bought a case of them just before taking ill.

Caldathras

Re: Court case

(Anonymous) 2025-05-10 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
That'll teach me for reading a comment out of order and missing the context. I should like to change the first sentence to say: "I'm betting that the Vitamin C also played a part" and then tell my story about the oranges.

Caldathras
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Re: Court case

[personal profile] temporaryreality 2025-05-11 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the second-take Caldathras :)

We also had acces to oranges (it was February), but pineapples really (and I mean really) satisfied some deep part of me that needed rejuvenation. Whatever it was… ?

Spike deterrents for those living with heavily vaxxed family members

(Anonymous) 2025-05-10 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Natto
Asprin
Chdiox ..
Ivermectin
Electro therapy - (arc system or Schumann wave generator with 2 antennae)
continuous use if mental techniques to avoid fear
Avoiding all media (except JMG)
Spending extended period of time in forests with large trees
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Re: Court case

[personal profile] transcriberb 2025-05-10 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
JMG, thanks for plug for homemade natto. Hmmm, I might manage the natto "spooned over hot rice with mustard and a teriyaki-style sauce in the Japanese fashion."

If you ever want to try tumeric and bromelain, I might suggest an old-fashioned chicken or fish curry with a bit of fresh pineapple added.

Re: Court case

[personal profile] boccaccio 2025-05-11 09:20 am (UTC)(link)
I remember that you posted once how you make the natto but I can't find the link. Do you have it (or a link to another good source)? It sounds like an interesting experiment to start making my own.

Re: Court case

[personal profile] boccaccio 2025-05-11 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks a lot JMG!

PS I'll be in Glastonbury too. I look forward to meet you and any other of the commentariat present!

Re: Court case

(Anonymous) 2025-05-11 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Does freezing them make a difference?

I've noticed a lot of fermented foods seem to lose a lot of their beneficial effects when frozen, probably because a lot of the microbes are killed by the process.

Re: Natto

(Anonymous) 2025-05-13 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
I learned to like natto by eating it with a generous serving of kimchi. A fermented amuse bouche to begin each dinner with!