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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2022-08-17 05:10 pm

In From The Fringes

fall of the american empireI was highly amused to see the following piece from Chris Hedges the other day, thanks to several readers who forwarded links:

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/08/15/chris-hedges-the-final-collapse/

My readers will find quite a bit of it very, very familiar. Hedges, a former New York Times correspondent, author of books, and on-and-off media darling, argues that modern industrial society is in decline and faces imminent collapse, following patterns that differ in scale but not in kind from the fates of past civilizations. He quotes Arnold Toynbee's A Study of History and Joseph Tainter's The Collapse of Complex Societies, and cites quite a range of facts and figures of a sort that I've discussed repeatedly here and on my blogs for the last sixteen years. 

That said, I have no idea whether Hedges got the idea for this essay from blog posts of mine. It may be that he simply noticed what's happening right in front of everyone, drew the logical conclusions, and did a little research to fill in the details. Nor am I in the least perturbed to find my ideas being echoed in so much more widely read a forum -- quite the contrary. 

That's the secret power of the fringe intellectual, after all. If you happen to live in a society in decline, as I do, and you want to talk freely about what's wrong and why the official solutions being hawked about by tame intellectuals won't work, all you have to do is find some venue for your ideas where you won't be censored. Keep at it, and so long as your ideas are at least marginally less stupid than those you're critiquing, they will begin to exert a weird gravitational attraction on the collective consciousness of your time. Eventually the official pundits will be mouthing your words without the least consciousness that they're doing so. Entertaining? You bet; certainly I'm entertained...
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Nice!

[personal profile] cs2 2022-08-18 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
This is good news! I couldn't read the article because it's behind a paywall (When did I read my freebies at the New York Times? I never read NYT, haha). Chris Hedges is an interesting guy. He started in the mainstream but like many on the left he became very disillusioned with Obama (and has apparently sued him?).

I normally don't do podcasts because the information is delivered too slowly, but while cleaning my apartment I once listened to a 90-minute interview of Hedges by a left-leaning youtuber (the youtuber I believe is a registered Independent, voted for Bernie, then both times refused to vote for the Dem nominee after Bernie dropped out).

Hedges had some interesting things to say. I remember he explained how the co-opting of gender and sexuality politics by both the mainstream Dems and the very online lefties has ultimately hurt their cause and turned a lot of people off. Not mainstream issues like gay marriage, but things more fringe. I think a lot of lefties just ignore all the online noise about that (I certainly do), but the fact remains that a lot of people get turned off by it, so it's a problem, and Hedges pointing that out was good to hear.
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Re: Nice!

[personal profile] cs2 2022-08-18 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh pffft, I do my daily blog check all at once and was following someone else's link. Thanks for pointing that out! I enjoyed the article.